1-2-3 NL KsQs UTG multi-way
Effective Stacks: Hero $550, Villain $450
Hero is in early position (EP) and looks down at KsQs.
Hero raises to $25 over the $6 straddle.
Four callers, including the Villain (Button).
The other two callers are in the blinds.
Villain is an older passive Asian gentleman. I saw him bet small with top pair on the flop, small again with trip Aces on the turn, and maintained small sizing on the river when he had Ax in his hand. -> One adjustment I noted down is to raise more preflop so I only get 1 or 2 callers. I'll do 30/35 next time.
Pot ~$125
Flop: AcJc4s
Hero bets $25, only Villain on the Button calls. I'm not sure what I was trying to accomplish with this bet I feel like I should've just checked this back and folded to a bet but I just didn't wanna show weakness and play a simple check/fold game here. Probably a leak to bet into several opponents when I whiff the flop. Just a cheap bluff/feeler bet to fold out the hands that missed the flop and see if anyone has a strong hand that they like and re-raise me with. I'm thinking there are a lot of favorable turn cards like T, any spade a K or Q that i can use to bet close to pot and put pressure on weak Ax type hands that I hold a blocker for AK, AQ and I don't think villain just let's AJ with 2P just call 20% pot bet on the flop.
Pot ~$175
Turn: 6c
Hero ?
Questions:
-Do I check here and give up or bet 1/4 or 1/5 pot again on the turn to cap villain's range?
-If he just calls, do I set up a big river shove thinking he most likely has a weak Ax type hand and not a flush that I can get him off of? I don't hold any clubs in my hand to more likely he's got some...
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I'm not sure what I was trying to accomplish with this [flop] bet I feel like I should've just checked this back and folded to a bet but I just didn't wanna show weakness and play a simple check/fold game here.
Why not?
P.S. I've noticed in a number of your threads you say, "I should've raised more preflop to try to get only 1 or 2 opponents." While this is a nice goal, doing so means you're going to have to tighten-up your raising range, especially when you're in a straddle pot where you're less than 100BB effective. Indeed, by raising more you'll likely be facing stronger ranges on the flop, which isn't the kind of situation you want with middling raising hands like KQo, 88, ATs, etc., unless your opponents are weak, fit-or-fold players.
While it feels easier, in general, to raise large and then mindlessly c-bet in a brute force attempt to end the hand on the flop, it's also a TAGfish mindset that's going to limit both your winnings as well as your ability to hold your own against more solid players.
@Always Folding - @docvail gave me the advice in one of my posts to raise larger so I took it to heart. It's that exact TAGish mindset that I am finding myself stuck in where I find it hard to play post-flop if I don't have a very strong hand and opponents decides to call my c-bet. What do you recommend in terms of preflop sizing with and without straddles?
For why I didn't wanna show weakness and play a check/folds strategy, I guess I got it in my hand that I want to win the pot and check/folding won't do that. But to @deuceblocker's point, neither will the 1/5 pot bet :/ I thought I could fold out any non Ax type hand that just completely whiffed the flop since everyone will miss 2/3 of the time. However, I didn't have a strategy for what turn cards are good for barreling. Is this simply a check/fold situation where we're multiway and OOP to one opponent?
Just stick with a basic x3-x5 raise amount, keeping in mind that if the pot is straddled and/or a number of players are short-stacked, you're not going to have the post-flop Fold Equity you would have with 100+BB stacks.
For why I didn't wanna show weakness and play a check/folds strategy, I guess I got it in my hand that I want to win the pot and check/folding won't do that.
I'd like my hair to grow back in like I had in my 20s, but that's not happening either. 😀
Thanks for reminding me to stick to the basics for preflop raise amounts.
Fair enough lol. It's okay to play check/fold here since that will mean I'm not burning my chips.
I would let it go. It doesn't make sense that you would be 1/5 pot as the preflop raiser with a flush draw, and the flush hit on the turn.
I would prefer 50 if you are going to bet the flop. 25 looks weaker than checking.
For straddle pots I always bet at least 30/36. If there are some limpers ahead I can go higher.
I can see a bet being fine on the flop but once you didn’t pick up any equity I would check turn and give up. If villain is tight the flush could scare him away and I could see another bet to barrel but… I’d check and give up more than likely
When we're multi-way, we're just betting with our strong value and best draws to the nuts. This hand doesn't qualify, so I'd just check flop and see what happens. Definitely not betting turn when our flop bet gets called, and then the flush comes in.
Pre is fine
Flop is always a check: we are OOP, 4-handed on a heavy coordinated board
How do you continue turn if not one of the 3 Tens hit?
Just check / fold almost everytime (unless pot odds to draw for the 3 T‘s are there and its unlikely someone comes over the top behind you
You literrally buring money there.
In these type of games, sure you will find plenty of other spots w/o a headache.
Yeah, I think cbetting, particularly small like 25, is burning money on this board. There are 2 broadway cards, an ace, and a 2-flush. Someone of 4 callers hit it somehow.
