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LeBron has a bad game. LeBron Sucks!!!!

Every laker has a bad game and LeBron has a strong game. Ok let's figure out how this also means LeBron Sucks!!!!

Lebron didn't score in the last 4 minutes.

I doubt there was ever a tight game where Jordan didn't score in the last 4 minutes.

So Lebron is a choker by virtue of horrible clutch production (below ) and bad clutch efficiency or game-winner efficiency (below).

The issue is that he lacks pure scoring ability and touch, so he can't score when the defense gets super-tight in clutch-time.. It usually requires mid-range game, which Lebron is horrible at - it's a massive weakness in his game, along with turnovers, FT's, offensive rebounds, ball-dominance, and defense (no all-defense in his 30's)..

Given all these weaknesses, it's a good thing he has a dominant stiff arm - it's his only elite scoring skill, but it fosters the worst chemistry ever, and the most underachieving rosters ever.. He's struggling to win with Luka!!!!... smh... And he already struggled to win with AD, Love, Kyrie, Wade and Bosh - his bad chemistry skillset can't produce a great team regardless of cast.

King of empty stats and stat-padding:

1st in 4th quarter ppg (7.1 ppg)

46th in clutch ppg (2.6) and massive negative (300th in plus/minus)

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empty stats/padding

King of choke factor

Regular efficiency (51%) - clutch efficiency (37%) = massive choke factor (14%)

Are you talking about the last 4 minutes when the game wasn't tight anymore and Bronny James was playing?

LeBron almost single-handedly kept the Lakers in the game and it's impossible to not have seen that if you watched the game.

Keeping a team in the game means they had a chance to win all the end.. So Lebron didn't keep the Lakers in the game because they were blown away in the last 5 minutes while Lebron was scoreless.

So you're inaccurate - he didn't keep them in the game because he choked for the last 5 minutes and the Lakers were subsequently blown away.

That's the definition of not keeping the Lakers in the game.

Prove me your are not bias FG.
Is there a series or a year where LeBron didn’t suck and actually played well and was the primary cause of his team winning any games ?

Luka played like G League trash the entire game. It was embarrassing. Apparently he was very sick. He should've just skipped the game because he cost the Lakers any chance to win.

You didn't watch the game so don't bother replying with meaningless garbage.

mj never lost to the minnesota timberwolves after getting handed yet another mvp/hof caliber teammate

Luka hasn't played anything like an MVP candidate this year.

A very large chunk of NBA games are decided in clutch-time, so that's really all that matters.

Even a recreational basketball player that has played a little pick-up basketball has experienced what the Lakers experienced for the last 2 games.

It's when the score gets to around 8-7 or 9-8 (going to 11) and all of a sudden the game tightens up - it's desperation time now to win the game and stay on the court (loser is off the court and has a long wait to get back on), so the intensity ratchets up a notch or a few notches.... The inferior team and players crumble at this juncture.. This would be Lebron's teams, regardless of cast, except a couple teammate bailouts, a win over babies, or a 2nd option bubble chip.. This specific record on it's face (a shaky 4/23) isn't top 30 considering the unprecedented help that he had.

I remember watching the 2006 Cavs vs Wizards in the playoffs - Lebron averaged 36 and had 2 game-winners in like 3 games or something - I think it was his first playoff series - they were unlike any game-winners that he ever hit, aka they were kind of pure scoring instinct and mitigating multiple defenders to hit the winner... Even I thought he was catching kobe at that point.

Unfortunately for Lebron, this turned out to be beginner's luck, aka ignorance is bliss, aka some 94' Bulls sh*t when no one is looking, expecting or caring... Once the pressure was on, this instinct was gone for the most part - his clutch game is quite bad for an all-timer of his media accolade - he doesn't really have that pure scoring ability and therefore needs a "closer" of games and possessions like Wade, Kyrie, or AD...

Luka isn't really a closer because he's a ball-dominator too and therefore isn't an optimal "finisher" of plays - the optimal finisher of plays is a guy receiving a pass.. Lebron has tried to improve on this in recent months once Luka arrived, lol.. It's been quite amusing to watch as he simply seeks opportunities off-the-catch to go down-hill, effectively playing the same style as always.. He simply doesn't know how to play off-ball or move off screens - he never learned this - it's just another weakness in his game along with clutch efficiency (clutch), TO's, FT's, OREB's, SPG/BPG (defense) - it's actually a lot of stat categories that he's deficient at.. He's added plus/minus this year as well - a massive negative all year long.

Anyway, regarding the 2006 Cavs vs Wizards, I didn't realize for another 5 years that Lebron isn't as dominant as he initially appears, aka he just dribbles a lot.. I eventually figured that out by 2011 - literally during the Finals, I told my sister "you know, lebron doesn't really know what to do out of the triple-threat".. And the rest was history - everything clicked about his game from that point forward... A ball-dominator is never as dominant as they appear because dominating the ball and turning everyone into spot-up shooter isn't the best way (or even a good way) to galvanize teammates and elevate their performance.. It foments bad chemistry, and this gets massively exposed in the clutch or against top ball movement teams like Spurs/Warriors/Nuggets/Mavs/Magic/insert team.

In hindsight, I can look back at those series in 2006 vs Detroit where the Cavs took them 7 games - Lebron was insanely ball-dominant but only averaged 26/6/7 on 45% - this might be the worst series of Jordan's career.. Again, the ball-dominance blinded me into thinking this was more dominant than it was, until I woke up to the concept of "ball-dominance" and how Lebron is only elite at this chemistry-killing style.

But rather than talk about the 1 series that impressed me (his very 1st one), it's more interesting to talk about the series where he gets praise but deserves none... This includes the 15' Finals, where he played exactly like Iverson but got praised for the massive chuckfest, brickfest, and zero-defense style.. It's easy to forget that he allowed an 8 ppg bench player to be FMVP.. In addition to the 15' Finals, he deserves no respect for being taught a lesson in basketball and brand of ball in the 14' Finals - that was disgraceful - he embarrassed the game with bad brand of ball AND "giving up" in that series... There are many more series where he deserves massive blame, such as losing a 7 game series with 26 on 35% and 5 TO's - this was a massive choke in the 2008 ECSF, while the 07' Spurs showed that a 22 on 35% player won the East (and 6 TO's)...

There are many more bad series like the 21' 1st Round, or letting Jokic's gutter cast ragdoll the sh*t out of him in 23' and 24'... Then there's his first season in a non-manufactured conference - the 2019 West, aka lottery failure in his prime... Then there's the Westbrook debacle (which Jokic has exposed as a flaw in Lebron, not Westbrook).... So many more bad series, like the 2016 1st Round where he was carried by Kyrie, or the 14' ECF, which was an exercise in passivity and efficiency-hunting - this approach got it's doors blown off in the next series (the 14' Finals)... Then there's the biggies - the 2010 and 2011 Playoffs - nuff said.. And the 2009 loss was the 3rd biggest favorite to ever lose - his ball-dominance at high scoring levels destroyed everyone's stats, impact and BPM in that series.. This is why he can't carry the scoring load vs top teams and needs all-time scoring help.

The first 2 games was pretty good 37/8/1 , 31/12/9 shrug

The first 2 games was pretty good 37/8/1 , 31/12/9 shrug

Last 2 games before the playoffs 39/8/7 fg%:684 45/8/6 fg%: 571 and 4 steal .
What more u want ?

Nico watching Luka dribble into a trap to flop at halfcourt for the 15th time in a game while probably getting death threats from mabs fans like

He had some good games yes sure. But overall he's been nothing like an MVP candidate during his time on the Lakers.

Lebron just had zero points in the last 17 minutes of 4th quarter to lose to 2 playoff games, yet you're still defending him??.. lol

If you insist on keeping your head in the sand, then at least understand the impending historical record that "old" Lebron can't get out of the 1st Round with top 5 players like Luka or AD, which confirms that he's horrible at 40 years old.

His massive negative impact is confirmed by his horrible plus-minus numbers over the regular season... And since plus-minus is the key to seeing that he's bad, his inferior plus-minus to 40-year Jodan confirms that he's worse than 40-year Jordan.

Btw, even the "carry-job" in the 2018 ECF was nothing and fake - it wasn't a carry-job - he faced an injured team (no Kyrie) and a bunch of 19-year olds - this is 3 years younger than Lebron getting a pass for the 07' Finals... It's simply a nothingburger to face an injured baby team - the Celtics were MUCH worse than the 1990 Sixers for example, who were led by all-stars like peak Barkley, Hawkins, Gminski and others - MJ carried the load against them but it was considered nothing despite his 43/7/7 stats..

The 18' Celtics weren't even a top 5 SRS team, so Lebron never beat a top 5 SRS team with weak scoring & efficiency from a sidekick (never carried weak help over top teams).. Lebron can't carry the scoring load vs top teams because he's too ball-dominant at high scoring levels, so he can't carry the scoring load vs top teams, thereby needing all-time scoring help and "closers".

You can put your head back in the sand now.

The Lakers received the same guy that Dallas had:

2025 Regular Season

DALLAS LUKA'.......... 28/8/8 on 58.4 TS
LAKERS LUKA........... 28/8/8 on 59.0 TS


Playoffs

24' LUKA.......... 29/9/8 on 55.6 TS
25' LUKA.......... 31/7/5 on 61.7 TS

Of course, I'm sure that you're really trying to say that Pippen was an MVP candidate, but he wasn't even an all-star in 91' or 98', let alone an MVP candidate.. And no one ever said in 1994 "who will win MVP, Hakeem or Pippen?"... That never happened... No one debated Hakeem or Robinson vs Pippen, so Pippen was never in any "conversation" for MVP - that's completely false and would be considered laughable by a lot of people back then... Saying that Pippen was an MVP candidate is like saying Klay was an MVP candidate.. Pippen simply got extra votes in 94' due to the surprise factor and feel-good story that the Bulls didn't collapse, but he was never actually considered for MVP.

History shows the difference between franchise players like Lebron or AD and secondary producers like Klay, Middleton or Pippen... Similar to Lebron in 2003, AD was a #1 pick and tasked with building the worst team in the league through all the developmental stages of a franchise, while Pippen was handed a fully-developed franchise, dynasty culture, and 3-peat system.

You don't see the difference between building from scratch and being handed the keys to the kingdom?.. Pippen was never considered a franchise player that gets built around... MJ's sudden retirement allowed Pippen to luck into a fully-developed franchise, dynasty culture, 3-peat system and also sleeping opponents (since the Bulls were the "letdown" game on everyone's schedule).

And Pippen lacked the dominant stats that allow a team to put good scorers beneath him (without supplanting him), so any Pippen-led team lacks the capacity to add talent and build, which is why he was never a franchise player and cratered the goat dynasty to barely .500 in less than 18 months.. Then he begged MJ to return after embarrassing himself to epic levels in the playoffs.

I’m not defending him .
I think it’s stupid to believe Lebron isn’t a great player like u do shrug .
Letting aside bad players, how many great players have achieve scoring champion once AND assist leader champion once in their career ?

Letting aside all the individuals accolades and teams achievements LeBron accomplished.

Ps: don’t include stats that you can’t supports in other narratives where u will contradict their importance of them like plus/minus …

Since at least 100 guys would've done better than Lebron did with the help that he had, Lebron's "results-oriented" ranking is around 100th all-time... i.e. 100 guys would've done better than 1 for 6 with AD, 1 for 4 with Love, or a shaky 2 for 4 with Wade/Bosh, or missing the Finals in 09' or 10'...

In addition to the "results-oriented" ranking (100th), there's his actual basketball ranking of 12th, which is based on ball-dominators being behind all the best bigs and jumpshooters, aka highly-assisted skillsets (who produced all the best teams).

I’m curious .
How high you rank them ?
Kevin love
Chris bosh
Kyrie Irving
None of them in the 75th top nba players shrug ….

The Warriors play without a center, and no roster in history was perfect, so why are people saying Lebron's team needs more help and "needs a center"?...

No other player is talked about in this way where favored rosters are considered insufficient after choking or losing... No one said Curry needed more help during his down years - he simply built up another young player like Podziemski and Poole, or turned a loser into a winner like Wiggins.. And Lebron isn't even in a "down" year - he has Luka - yet everyone is saying his roster isn't good enough.. It's pure poppycock - every roster in the league has holes.

Ultimately, Curry develops young players and great chemistry because his skillset doesn't turn teammates into spot-up shooter like Luka or Lebron's ball-dominant skills do.. By turning teammates into spot-up shooter, Lebron prevents chemistry and elite roster construction, thereby always needing more help..

Accordingly, Lebron is the biggest fraud in sports history and completely manufactured by the media.. Even Lebron's longevity feats are countered by negative longevity, such as the most missed shots ever, the most turnovers ever, the most missed FT's, the most Finals losses ever, and the most losses with preseason favorites (favored rosters), etc, etc.
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They were all considered better than Pippen as true franchise players that their team was building around.

Despite zero help, Kyrie improved the Cavs' record in each of his first 3 seasons from 21 to 33 wins, which made the team was just attractive enough for Lebron to return - then he carried Lebron during the 16' Playoffs in a way that Pippen never did and wasn't capable.. Pippen couldn't grow a team and cratered a 3-peat dynasty to borderline .500 in less than 18 months before MJ returned to save the franchise.

Btw, Bosh was better than Pippen in pretty much every way - he would've been all-defense every year alongside MJ and he's already the godfather of modern PNR defense - he's credited with being the lynchpin that spearheaded the Heat's vaunted perimeter defensive attack during the Heatles years.

Why can't Lebron fans and media state the truth that the Lakers can't win if Lebron doesn't score in the 4th quarter???

Why can't you admit that the Lakers lost the last 2 games because Lebron went scoreless for 17 straight minutes of 4th quarter action??

Here's the reality... If the media covered the scoreless fourth quarters as historic chokes just like they would for any other star, then no one would be talking about "needing a center".... #biggestfraudinhistory

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LeBron made 3 great 3s to put the lakers back in The game in the 4th quarter game 3
But Ant was just too strong that night shrug .
Doesn’t mean Lebron sucked .

I don’t care about pippen .
You said anyone could have won with what Lebron had , which basically are many players you praise that aren’t even in the top 75 players …

You: “ Since at least 100 guys would've done better than Lebron did with the help that he had, Lebron's "results-oriented" ranking is around 100th all-time... i.e. 100 guys would've done better than 1 for 6 with AD, 1 for 4 with Love, or a shaky 2 for 4 with Wade/Bosh, or missing the Finals in 09' or 10'...”

So I was curious how great you think they are because many players didn’t win rings partnering with great players too; so I’m surprised you give so much hardship to LeBron with players not even in top 75 .

100 guys could do better than 1 for 6 with AD (top 75).

100 guys could do better than 2/4 with Wade (top 75) plus HOF Bosh... And 100 guys could do better than 1 for 4 with Love/Kyrie.

For example, CP3 or KJ aren't top 75, but they would easily 3-peat with Wade/Bosh - almost anyone would 3-peat with Wade/Bosh... CP3 or KJ could also go 2 for 4 with Kyrie/Love... It's easy to forget that 2014 Love compared to Barkley's production, and we saw KJ/Barkley nearly beat the Bulls - the addition of "closer" Kyrie would be the extra punch needed to put them over the top just like he put Lebron and Luka over the top.. This is just one example - there are 100 more, at least.

Remember that Lebron had the preseason favorite in 2016 but barely won 50 games with peak Kyrie/Love, so they fell to underdog... Accordingly, the teammate bailout in the Finals was mistakenly perceived as an upset, even though they had the favored roster all year long and since the preseason.. This is the kind of sophisticated fraud that we're talking about, i.e. underachieving the regular season and the claiming an "upset" if they happen to get lucky later on.