$11 MTT: 14 BBs holding TT with alot of action.
I'm holding TT in the mid stages and I'm pretty short stacked. Down to 14bbs. I get dealt pocket tens and I decide to raise to get some action rather than jam and have everyone fold. To my suprise there was so much action that made me rethink what to do.
Should I have jammed all in to go against three opponents?
- Reasons to do this are that I'm very short for chips and well below average stack. I could be facing smaller pairs.
- Reasons to fold are that I am fading so many overcards and possibly bigger hands.
What do you guys think I should do in this spot?
PokerStars - 1250/2500 Ante 300 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
Hero (MP): 13.87 BB
MP+1: 9.42 BB
CO: 42.82 BB
BTN: 37.82 BB
SB: 10.52 BB
BB: 24.22 BB
UTG: 44.8 BB
UTG+1: 20.53 BB
8 players post ante of 0.12 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 2.46 BB) Hero has T♠ T♣
fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.3 BB, MP+1 raises to 9.3 BB and is all-in, CO calls 9.3 BB, fold, SB raises to 10.4 BB and is all-in,
What should Hero do with pocket tens here vs two short all ins and a big stack calling?
9 Replies
All-in the first time around.
Now, you got what you wanted: all-in. This is probably your best opportunity to get a competitive stack and be back in the game.
All-in the first time around.
Now, you got what you wanted: all-in. This is probably your best opportunity to get a competitive stack and be back in the game.
Thanks for the feedback. I really wish I had just jammed pref-flop to make things easier.
Yeah, you need to get allin now. You are almost getting odds for cEV if someone has a higher pp. You could be ahead, although probably not over 50% to win multiway.
I would only raise/gii with QQ+ and have some raise/folds, but shove mid pps, big aces, and some other hands.
Yeah, you need to get allin now. You are almost getting odds for cEV if someone has a higher pp. You could be ahead, although probably not over 50% to win multiway.
I would only raise/gii with QQ+ and have some raise/folds, but shove mid pps, big aces, and some other hands.
Ok thanks. So I needed a stronger hand to do a raise/shove type play. It does makes sense since a call to my raise could have a flop with multiple overcards that either put me behind or make the hand tricky to play.
And I just did some math in an equity calculator with TT vs three different ranges, and with my quick and rough example, it showed a 30% equity for my hand which is enough to call off vs 3 opponents.
Raise/gii with TT and 14xBB isn't terrible, but IMO shoving is a little better. Yeah, it is partly difficult to play postflop and partly you don't gain much if you induce someone to call or 3! who might fold to your push.
TT has set equity and is could be ahead multiway, so it is hard to fold it with pot odds to any action.
I'm less confident - cutoff's flat call concerns me, and while the short stacks might get it in fairly wide, it's hard to imagine the fourth player in the pot stacking off with a worse hand.
The thing I'm more sure of is that off your stack 2.3x is too big a raise. You should minraise or shove.
I'm less confident - cutoff's flat call concerns me, and while the short stacks might get it in fairly wide, it's hard to imagine the fourth player in the pot stacking off with a worse hand.
The thing I'm more sure of is that off your stack 2.3x is too big a raise. You should minraise or shove.
Thanks for the input Nath. With the action given, I was excited about the first all in. The call from the big stack did look very strong. Then the third opponent shoving his stack had me thinking WTF. That felt very strong, but at the same time his stack was only 10bbs. It's short but at the same time it still has fold equity to play and win unopened pots.
I think that jamming 15bbs or less would have been the better play for me with pocket 10s just to keep things simpler for me.
Yeah, whether I jam or raise tens at 15BB depends on the stage of the tournament and my position, as well as some factors about who's behind me and their stacks. Not knowing anything about the players in the hand, I think you're in early enough position to just jam. (Button and maybe cutoff I would raise / call, especially if you think one of the big stacks on your left would rejam wide with smaller pairs and Ax hands you dominate.)
I'm less confident - cutoff's flat call concerns me, and while the short stacks might get it in fairly wide, it's hard to imagine the fourth player in the pot stacking off with a worse hand.
The thing I'm more sure of is that off your stack 2.3x is too big a raise. You should minraise or shove.
I am not confident TT is ahead. You are going to be up against a higher pp a lot with this action, but you will be close to 20% then with set possibilities. When you are ahead, you can be like 35% to win 4-ways. So with the money you already have in, gii is significantly cEV+, even though you are often dominated and usually bust out.
