Moderation Questions

Please learn what consensus is. There is no serious disagreement on this topic among medical experts, either with or without quotation marks.

The definition of antivaxer is not "more likely than white folks to be suspicious of vaccinations," so your question proceeds from a false premise.

Even if it did, all stupid people are not antivaxers, so this would not be evidence that more black people are stupid than white people, nor, with your poor wording, black people are more stupid than white people (this is a binary with no indication of degree).

In short, this is an absolutely abhorrent attempt at logic in nearly every way and you should stop.

I know what "consensus" is.

Fair enough. So we at least agree that anyone who is merely "suspicious of vaccinations" isn't necessarily stupid.

I'm happy to agree with that and drop the topic, if you are.

I agree with the bolded. My argument doesn't rest on that false premise.

Then you should have known better than to make the argument you made.

Yes, I agree with that. I only made the statement that antivaxers are stupid.

But the question you asked me was based on that premise, which is why I pointed it out.

Fair enough.

Okay. Thanks.

The point isn’t about trans people.

And honestly the credence I put into your personal anecdote is close to zero. Nothing personal, that’s just how evidence works on my view.

The one thing I would agree with there is that trans people deal with a lot of crap and if you believe that then you should understand how unlikely it is that anyone would pretend to be trans because for the most part people suck and being trans is hard.

Thanks for volunteering, dawg!

Don't worry, guys, Iron Mong's got us.

As long as it's in one of the few parts of the country he's not afraid to go to, and definitely not after dark. If these conditions are met, Alpha Mongi's your guy, as long as his mum's there for support.

20 humans trying to kill 1 human size primate is sooooooooo alpha. Where do these idiots come from?

How often do people get to use this pass?

I reckon one Andrew Tate and four Andrew Tate clones would sort Kong out. Then they'd go shag a bunch of woman, making all the other woman in the world mad jealous as woman are prone to get due to their nature as woman. What do you think Mongidig?

Are you not entertained?

Wouldn't they have to go shag the gorilla's mate(s)? Seems fair to me.

You just finished reading this guy claim biological sex is on a spectrum and then transition to this thread where he's preaching about trust the science and "experts"

This is not a serious person. whatever you do, don't follow him in to a battle vs a gorilla or any other dangerous animal

I think it's almost time to move one but I just want to throw this out there. Gorillas are vegans. Although they're capable of winning vs 100 men i don't know how efficient of a killer they are. Like is donky kong just launching dudes randomly or is he crushing skulls and snapping necks? Like a fun dad trick is to launch kids in the swimming pool over and over. It gets tiring. If you did that on land you could certainly injure the kids launching them on the lawn or in to bushes. But you have to figure man-launches won't result in a severe or crippling injury a significant percent.

I feel like with gorilla intelligence you could train them to kill quite efficiently and completely dominate. Like maybe 2 or 3 classes with the dark side of jane goodall. Otherwise I don't know if there would be a learning curve within the battle. I might have to check to see if there's so video of gorillas problem solving later.

i love how much of a tangle you are in right now trying to both be correct in your original statement that anti-vaxxers are idiots while dancing around to make it like that doesn't apply to black anti vaxxers because then you feels bad

you're not an idiot, but your ideology often forces insanely stupid posts out of you which is great for the lols

In an emergency, it shouldn't take more than five fit men to subdue and pin down the average 400lb male gorilla. (Basically two to grab each arm and one to apply heel-of-palm pain-compliance pressure to the base of the unprotected nose while you all use your superior combined weight and strength to bear the big fellow over.) A few more hands might be welcome, but requiring 20 sounds a bit effeminate.

Of course, once you've pinned him, one of you has to dart and trank him, or he may remonstrate as soon as you all take your weight off him. And, if this were in the wild, his social group would come to his assistance, in which case the only human option would be retreat. But gorillas aren't usually aggressive if you leave them alone, certainly not as aggressive as humans, so the contingency is unlikely to arise in the first place.

I think he’s just saying anti-vaxxers are stupid and that applies equally to all anti-vaxxers, Black or not. Has he said anywhere that Black anti-vaxxers are not stupid but white ones are?

Maybe you would have a point if he was picking out some trait about white anti-vaxxers to call out, like calling them uneducated hicks or something.

Personally I don’t think they are all stupid, a lot of the time it’s ignorance and hubris over stupidity, or an immoral media apparatus/propaganda machine that makes them that way.

Or maybe if he tried to do that thing some people did by saying “oh Black people are right to be scared of the medical establishment but white people aren’t”.

so you are you wrong that anti vaxxers are stupid or would you agree with your original assessment that as a population black people are not as intelligent since they are the overwhelmingly anti-vax compared to other races

I don’t think we can make accurate inferences about the belief states of Black people based solely on the percentage that has not received vaccinations.

Someone who hasn’t received a vaccination versus someone who is against vaccinations— these populations do not line up 1:1.

No, I'm not.

As I've already pointed out to geezerchess, that is not true, since both

A) that assumes that all stupid people are antivax.

and

B) your unsupported assertion is true.

Hope that helped.

This comes down to the old med school question of a test is 98% accurate and a patient tests positive twice, what are the chances they actually have the disease? The answer is you have no way to know.

If most people are stupid ie the average person reads at an 8th grade level or can't tell you the odds a fair coin lands heads exactly 2 times out of 4 tosses so they are stupid then yeah pretty much all antivaxers are stupid. If only 10% of people are stupid then of course plenty of antivaxers can't be stupid from the pigeon hole principle alone.