1-2-3 AA preflop raise size
Hero: AA in EP (pretty TAG image, not getting a lot of hands this night so image of folding a lot PRE) [$300]
Villain 1 (LP original raiser): Older gentleman that's been pretty TAG but did 3B 99 preflop [$350]
Villain 2 (Button): younger gentleman that is new to the table and reraises a decent amount preflop [$400]
Action: $6 straddle in MP, $20 raise in LP from V1, V2 in Button calls
Hero: reraise to $120
Was my raise size too high? I'm thinking 4x original raise + dead money in the pot so 4x$20 + original riaser's $20 + caller's $20 = $80+$20+$20
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So you limp/reraised and didn't get called. You didn't give the full action. Were you the only limper? I would make it smaller. Hard for people to go from 20 to 120 putting in 1/3 of their stack. The limp/reraise looks so strong anyway. Obviously, could just open raise.
Sorry. Updated original post with the fact that there was a straddle so I was last to act even though I was in EP
I think the raise size is fine, you don't want to raise so small that you are getting two callers and you're OOP. So sizing up for being OOP and for the extra money in the pot is exactly what you should do. Unfortunately, sometimes we have premiums that just aren't going to get action. The only way to generate more action is to have a more aggressive image 3!ing a similar size with some bluffs. If V1 and V2 are going to put in $20 and fold a lot, then widen up and steal that $40 often. If I'm straddling, I'm going to squeeze any suited broadway against two late position players and pps down to maybe 88 or 99 depending on the table.
But its very possible that V1 was opening the bottom of range, and if V2 is inclined to 3! a decent amount, his call suggests that he wasn't that strong so he should be folding almost always when V1 folds. (That's the benefit of the squeeze play, the V in the middle has to continue tighter than normal while the second V already indicated weakness by flatting). So with one hand it is very difficult to determine if your image is too tight, or if Vs just had weaker hands.
You don't want to reduce your 3! size, if they are going to make you play your AA on a flop multiway, make them pay for it and keep your postflop decisions really simple - as in your jamming all in pretty much every flop if both Vs call, and a big chunk of the time if one V calls.
You may want to evaluate if you are 3!ing frequently enough. But I 3! way more than theory suggests I should and way more than anyone else sitting at most tables I play, and people will still sometimes fold around when I finally have a real hand.
I would probably raise to 85-100$, its never recommended to raise more than 1/3 of your stack preflop.
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@Yamihere - that's a good point. I have a very tight image at the table and don't 3B that frequently. I can use this as an opportunity to 3B more. I typically 3B AA, KK, QQ, and AK.
So if villains frequently fold to my 3B then I can start adding in these hands as well then:
TT+, JTs+, AQs, AQo, and sometimes hands like 76s, 78s, 89s, 9Ts. The more villains fold to my 3B the wider I can open up my range, starting from TT+ and then starting to add suited broadways, and eventually small suited connectors.
This is great feedback! I can dynamically adjust my range based on my image at the table and how people react to me/perceive me. Typically, I've just had static ranges and I feel like that has made it very easy to play against me. This will keep my opponents guessing
Your 3! range is going to dramatically depend on your position and reads, both of the OR and subsequent players. Can you buy the button from them, will they 4! light, etc...
I like adding at first into your (and I agree) really tight initial 3! range, things I'm not super-enthused about wanting to play MW, but also block good hands Vs may have. We'd prefer winning the hand pre, but we're not totally screwed if called. Quite a few offsuit Ace and Broadway hands. E.g., A9o, KJo. A little goes a long way. Each offsuit hand adds 12 combos to our semi-bluff (though that's not the right word) pile. Since your initial range had 34 combos, it takes very few to balance this.
I'd also add some lower PP and other suited combos to my value pile. Like JJ-88 & ATs+, KJs+. Maybe some suited wheel Aces too?
Anyway, AP bet either 30% or 1/3 max. So 90-100 here. Prob betting 100. Sorry they didn't have anything.
If you're only starting out with $300, either raise to $100 (1/3 of your stack), or jam and pray someone thinks you're FOS.
When we're OOP, my 3B formula is usually 3x the raise, plus 1x for each caller. So 5x here would be fine.
If we get called, we're just jamming most flops. The pot will be $200+, and we'll have $200 left. At 1 SPR, AA is just an auto-jam, unless the board is something insanely connected, like T98 monotone.
If you're only starting out with $300, either raise to $100 (1/3 of your stack), or jam and pray someone thinks you're FOS.When we're OOP, my 3B formula is usually 3x the raise, plus 1x for each caller. So 5x here would be fine. If we get called, we're just jamming most flops. The pot will be $200+, and we'll have $200 left. At 1 SPR, AA is just an auto-jam, unless the board is
Sorry, I meant 4x + 1x per caller. IP, it would be 3x +1x.
Is the logic behind making it more OOP that we get more fold equity. I thought we want to play smaller pots OOP and bigger pots IP. How does that tie in with this kind of raise sizing pre
I believe the theory is that we want to raise larger from OOP to generate more fold equity when we're bluffing, and ti decrease the SPR, mitigating our positional disadvantage post flop.