1/2: Did I misplay KK with the K♦ on an A♦9♦7♦ flop?
1/2 live cash game.
I open UTG to $15 with K♦K♥, guy to my left (short stack $150, clear fish) flats, both blinds call.
Flop comes A♦9♦7♦ ($60 pot).
Blinds check, I check intending to evaluate.
Fish jams $135, BB (a tight/nitty regular) cold-calls, action back to me.
I tanked and ended up folding.
Turn was T♦, river 6♦.
Fish had A5o, BB won the pot with AQ (no diamonds).
I had planned to check-call a standard bet, but the overbet shove and cold-call threw me off.
Would a small block bet on the flop (like $20) have been better to control the action and deny equity? Or is folding reasonable facing that action, even with the K♦?
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How much effective stack did you have with the tight regular? That's pretty important here.
Checking flop is fine/good
Depends on effective stacks as mentioned, but I am not folding. Probably flat call. Don't post results in OP.
A flush draw has about 1/3 of the pot equity. Sometimes slightly less when someone has a flush or set, and sometimes your 2 K outs are good against an ace.
So you need 2:1 and are getting about 2.5:1 so it's a call. Heads up more like a fold. Edit: other consideration if there is more $ behind btw you and the caller.
Theory says on monotone flops you should be betting: flushes, big flush draws, sets.
You have the biggest flush draw.
I would bet and then sigh call. If I checked it wouldn't be to fold to a short stack.
Depends on effective stacks as mentioned, but I am not folding. Probably flat call. Don't post results in OP.
Overcall a 2x pot overbet jam + a cold call with 9 outs at best, when we won’t win a penny off the nitreg when the turn comes a diamond?
If I’m not wrong, we need direct odds of 135/(60+135+135+135) or 29% to call here assuming no implied odds, and we only have 18%.
A flush draw has about 1/3 of the pot equity. Sometimes slightly less when someone has a flush or set, and sometimes your 2 K outs are good against an ace.
So you need 2:1 and are getting about 2.5:1 so it's a call. Heads up more like a fold. Edit: other consideration if there is more $ behind btw you and the caller.
How does a nitreg having more money behind affect our decision when he’s 100% not going to pay us when we hit? Plus, he may already be eating up 1 or 2 of our outs.
Also, as per my calculation above, seems like we need 29% to call and are only getting 18% assuming 9 outs?
Didn't see the cold call originally, but unless V is cold calling flushes and sets a bunch it doesn't change much IMO.
Also, as per my calculation above, seems like we need 29% to call and are only getting 18% assuming 9 outs?
ProPokerTools Odds Oracle Results (2.3 P...
Holdem, Generic syntax
Board - Ad9d7d
PLAYER_1 KKd
PLAYER_2 A
PLAYER_3 A
600000 trials (randomized)
All-in Equity
[table=head]|Equity %|Wins Hi %|Ties Hi %|Wins Hi Count|Ties Hi Count|
KKd|41.7205%|41.7205%|0.0000%|250323|0|
A|29.1847%|22.0483%|14.2728%|132290|85637|
A|29.0948%|21.9583%|14.2728%|131750|85637|
[/table]
It's probably best to shrug and shove flop, but cold calling should handcuff BB from betting thin into a dry side pot.
Didn't see the cold call originally, but unless V is cold calling flushes and sets a bunch it doesn't change much IMO.ProPokerTools Odds Oracle Results (2.3 P...Holdem, Generic syntaxBoard - Ad9d7dPLAYER_1 KKdPLAYER_2 APLAYER_3 A600000 trials (randomized)All-in Equity[table=head]|Equity %|Wins Hi %|Ties Hi %|Wins Hi Count|Ties Hi Count|KKd|41.7205%|41.7205%|0.0000%|250323|0|A|29.1847%|22.0483%|14.2728%|132290|85637|A|29
Your calculation assumes the nit won’t bet turn into a dry side.. right?
How does a nitreg having more money behind affect our decision when he’s 100% not going to pay us when we hit? Plus, he may already be eating up 1 or 2 of our outs.
Also, as per my calculation above, seems like we need 29% to call and are only getting 18% assuming 9 outs?
The 2:1 needed is if you are all in or close to it. So if that is the case it's an easy call
The money behind may not matter as much for implied odds (maybe nit pays you if he has Qd) but matters more if he will bet a brick turn and deny your equity.
The 2:1 needed is if you are all in or close to it. So if that is the case it's an easy call
The money behind may not matter as much for implied odds (maybe nit pays you if he has Qd) but matters more if he will bet a brick turn and deny your equity.
Right, so if he has significant money behind, and his range looks strong, it’s a fold anyway on flop eh?
