The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

Dude I don't even read your redundant bs anymore, to me you are a desinformant, a troll and a very, very sad figure.
But I will make you an offer at the end of my post:

As you are basically wrong about everything I write, and do.

I say I am a winning player online (1M winnings lifetime) - You say I am a loser...ok

I didn't even say which stakes I play. - You can I am a microstakes grinder...ok

I never posted any sharkscoperesults here due
to tax reasons - You say I did- LOL...ok

I never said I play on iPoker atm, and
I have actually a winning Titan acc there from years ago - You say I have minus on iPoker...ok

You call me conspiracy theorist, which all trolls do to gain
fake leverage, naming the CIA document that I mentioned
in different thread, that is a fact that everyone can research - LOL ...ok

I would say you are a chump! You might not even play poker.

I will offer you to destroy you in NLH Headsup-Live cashgame up to NL400$.
If you want to play lower then I will not play lower than NL 200$
As I am about to move into another country at the end of this month, I can not play live within the coming 3-5 months due to projects that I have, but after that I am basically available, and this offer will be up only to you. Like this you can get some HU coaching that will not help you at all.

Obviously there have to be some rules:
1. We make sure that we are we.
The day we start playing each other, we will have to confirm the identities of each other. Not the names but the account related identity.
So showing, that we are actually the account owners of the 2+2 accounts that we use right now, by showing that we can log into our accounts
and also showing that the phone numbers match the email data that is linked to the account, to make sure we are really playing us and not you vs someone else.
In order to protect privacy it would be ok to show just the first 4 and 3 last digits of the phone number. Although I really don't give a f.k

2. We play live poker in a casino, and stream this headsup match to the community. We will obviously have to work out a deal with the casino, to make it happen.
But I know a casino in Europe that would very likely do this. If they reject streaming, we will have someone to basically live blog our games. But I doubt that.

3. We play at least 3 days a week for 5 hours a day. Better would be 8 hours a day with breaks every hour if we wish + toilet breaks in between etc.

4. We play at least 25 buyins. So 10K$ izi money for you.

5. We can only stop if one has won the 25 buyins, or if there is private reasons like family death/health issues/or higher reasons like a lockdown for a fake pandemic or some s@h!t
We will obviously take the word of the other one for good. I will not ask for a death certificate or some s@h!t

6. We have to play in the EU in the capital that I will name. I have no idea where you moron are from, but that is the offer. If you accept it, I will name you the town I will be in in the coming months. It is pretty central EU so should be no problems. And you will of course not come with excuses, because 10K izi money should be a no-brainer to to.
Don't forget that I am a huge microstakes loser right? So how could you ever reject. You righteous, non-riggy, white sheriff defender of the personified noble zero braincell sheep.

Also would be good for you to get out of your disinformation, troll s@h!t cave and get some fresh air.....moron

And actually no, we will also have to validate our accounts via names, because I don't trust you a bit. You have 24 hours to accept the offer in general, so we can validate and then set up a contract about this headup match, so there is no dodging bs is going on, like with so many other challenges. We can also include buyout etc. I just want to make sure that if you accept, your a55 will be taped to the chair at the table, so I can drop the 10K to you ...izi lol

....fish!

Why do we have to play in an EU capital you name?
Lets just play HU online, where you've made over 1 million dollars? Surely online thats a place you feel comfortable..

I do believe that YOU BELIEVE you've made a million online, yet you complain about the RNG each time. You are truly insane, even more so than Paisting. You've lost all connection to reality. And I am not alone in saying this, in the Tom Dwan thread you spew your nonsense everywhere too and nobody believes you. Thats because right now the only person in poker who is more mentally unstable than Dwan is you.. that is, if you can call a microstaker loser like yourself a pokerplayer. The only 2 people that go along with your crazy statements are Johnmir & Larusso. A real suicide squad there, jfc. 3 microstakes losers finding each other in their mental illness.

You never address real points made and the only thing you regard as evidence are the voices in your head. Seriously, get professional you need it.
Cmon just read what you wrote here one more time and conclude that you've lost it.

That being said, I would like to advantage of your offer to play HU even though ima 6max player. You can choose the site (i.e. you can choose the RNG) and the stakes. I will happily take every last dime from you. But knowing your microstakes history that probably wont be much.
Do you still have enough bankroll to play nl10?😃

Johnmir, you are awfully quiet, what do you think of all this?
And what do you think of independent specialized companies testing the iPoker RNG and concluding that is in fact a fair RNG. Are you willing to accept that as proof?

I did not make a million online.
I have 1 million in winnings!
Winnings don't equal profit, and my profits are obviously -EV. Which was the topic here the whole time.

Hello? Someone there?

If you ever used Holdem Manager or Pokertracker, you should know that.
It is pretty obvious what you do here.

You constantly mix up topics, data and information, just to keep bullying and discrediting people.
Not I have lost connection to reality, you and your flying ape crew have lost it. 😃
Some of these morons in the Tom Dwan thread will give you a hug.

And you don't know my history, because you don't know all the screennames that I had when playing almost every room since around 2008.
And again. I will not play you online. Have you lost your mind?
I am a supporter of the (online poker is rigged fraction).

You will not get away with RTA or having someone else playing for you. Or several people playing me.

Stop pretending that 10K don't matter to you.

My offer is still valid. 24 hours are not over.

6max is easy transition into HU NL . You are almost guarandeed to win lol.

I've always said you were a losing player. You said you werent because you have 1m in winnings, but now you finally admit you have no profit. I knew that all along. And of course a losing player like yourself knows everything about the RNG being rigged. Just like John & Larusso who are losing as well but know everything there is about poker. And FYI when people claim they have won at poker they actually mean making a profit. Who cares if you made the moneyspots in some tournaments when youre a loser bottomline.

I will play you everywhere online, at any stakes but obviously not in a casino of your choosing who needs to accomodate with webcam, I would say thats one of the dumbest suggestions you've made but you've actually made far worse ones. Also, how would I be certain that your casino isnt infiltrated by the CIA😃

Too bad you dont have the balls to play me HU. And its kinda weird too, because wouldnt we be playing the same rigged RNG. Why would it favor me? You know all the patterns and algorithms of the RNG, i dont. So would have had a huge advantage over me. Really a shame but much expected that you chicken out, I would love to take your bankroll and spend it on a decent evening at macdonalds.

Ofc I have profit, and not just a little bit. I am a winning online player, have 1 million in winnings but running under EV. Which means the profit that is obviously under 1 m should have been more than it was. Way more.
Its really interesting how people like you are just here to twist everything so that you can give others the illusion that you are somehow superior, and that online poker is not rigged.

Even a 7 yo can see that you are just a sucker desperately trying to find excuses to dodge a live HU gashgame challenge.

I would say we have our answer now.
This case is closed.

You can go on with your presentation how amazing you are now fat kid fish from McDonalds.

Aww, while finishing some stuff regarding communications on Russian poker forum I missed few days...

I will come back soon, with the response, sorry guys. Liked some comments.

Thank you for the advice about the peer review, TeflonDawg.

LOL! That was just a joke, man. You are a winning player, what's the problem? I don't remember exactly, you typed something ironic and I replied with "I know you are jealous of my skills", lol. More then that, there were times, we were not enemies, if you remember.

I'm surprised Mike (?) deleted that comment of me, probably cause of my English words misusing. But I remember, I didn't want to "offend" you, actually.

Lol, MRP, Lil Larusso, gj about Slugant, he deserved that 100%.

Lol, totally agree - he could have done his job better, at least some competent way... 😃

I posted my whole communication with Gambling Supervision Authorities. And the analysis of it. On Russian forum.
And it's a huge problem, that I have to translate everything every time. It takes huge time...

Going to do this publication on 2+2 too. A bit later

But, before publishing this, I will try to record several streams of iPoker gameplay. To describe in game how they distribute hands on iPoker and Pokerstars (there is the same software "model" in both rooms) 🤐 ))

I would suggest posting the original russian text and anybody who is interested can use google translate to read it.

That way you will not have to deal with people claiming that you transl

I get why you would think slugant is intentionally misrepresenting what you wrote but actually your wording is very akward.

You say you have 1 million in price money but its ev-.

That doesn't really mean anything but if I had to guess what you wanted to say i would have also guessed that you mean you have 1 million in winnings but are down in total.

It seems like you wanted to say I have 1 million in winnings but ran below ev and should have more then 1 million in winnings.

Ev- is generally used for bets with a negative expectation. Thats where the confusion stems from.

Says the person that think he is a professional but is a loser at microstakes

Why did you skip over this part John? Its like you are reading very selectively

Read this again (or for the first time) https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

I will play you any site, any stake, never dodging vs a fish like you
We can start tonight

But you are the one crawling back to make it a live challenge with crazy demands like:
* you say "I can not play live within the coming 3-5 months due to projects that I have" but insists of playing live. so you are challenging me but i have to wait 5 months? fu
* We have to play in the EU in the capital that you (mrp) will name and play 3 days a week minimum why should I travel the globe for some measly 10k to casino of your choosing, why dont you travel to a casino near me[b]
* We play live poker in a casino, and stream this headsup match to the community. You know a casino in Europe that would very likely do this [b] Yea casino would be eating this up. cmon man the max you are willing to play for is 10k which you call 25 buyins, which is casino is setting this up for a 2/4 cashgame HU. Cmon man I play higher online.

All the nonsense you spew about RNG's and CIA is amusing in the same way a drunken toddler saying the craziest things is funny

But never act like you are not the one chickening out of this deal. You are the coward who is scared to play HU because you never beat microstakes and probably cant even afford it so you make ridiculous demands about a game that suddenly has to be played live.

I have to correct you. You either ignore the facts, or did not read them.
I offered a headsup challenge to show that Slugant is wrong about his straight up lies that he spreads here about me being a microstakes player and other stuff.
Obv. a match doesn't poof if online poker is rigged or not.
But in either case you are the moron. But don't worry. You have company to support you.

Dude, this was NOT an online challenge. You dodged.
I am through with you.
Your constant twisting of facts and deliberate misinterpretation is annoying.
Go jerk of with your flying ape crew.

And btw. You should really take therapy. Seriously. Go get a doctor.

I never said I wanted a challenge in the EU capital of your choosing
Why would I fly to Europe, spend weeks in a sleezy eastern-european casino, for 10k. When I win I have to make it out alive too. You also have "projects" for the next 5 months and I cannot wait for this challenge.
So lets start tonight, which site do you want to play? Dont dodge me again!

PS: If you spend the money you are losing at microstakes on medication you wouldnt be so delusional and angry all the time

1 million in winnings is completely meaningless when you have grinded $6 sit n go-s for 16 hours a day since 2008

I've reinstated the two posts I deleted: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp... and https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

I think at the time I was trying to keep the debate going without unnecessary deviations. My apologies.

The results of this highly skilled professional level tournament player (his words):

John. If TD wants to reach your level he first needs to be in a coma for 2 years

LMFAO

Do you mean, some player who win 7$ SnG on Pokerstars tried to play (as an experiment, of cause, what the f else for would I do this?) but didn't manage to win a ****.

Do you think it's at least strange? What is you intelligence level, mate? It's funny, really.

Lol, 9 of 10 people would say iPoker is just rigged basing on this info. Rofl, and you show it here like it proves something except a pure rigging of the game in iPoker. You are an Ace.

Just to be clear, what info are you referring to here ?

SURE! Man, thank you!!

The whole chat knows that you and Slugant are interested in the fraud to continue, why would you accuse and insult (not you, but Slugant) other players just for their point of view, right?

No, DJ, I will follow the rules of the forum and type everything in English so that everyone including yourself would know you are taking part in the fraud.

Guys, after some of your replies
I decided to analyze my tournaments, which I played for Russian poker forum after we finalized the conclusions about the dependency -

The software of iPoker deals flop cards according to a folded on a preflop player's hand to provoke this player to play a rigged postflop
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

And I put myself a concrete task to describe at least this understandable dependency of iPoker's software the most convenient for you way.

Look. Here is the hand history of all the tournaments played by me. Some of them were even streamed for Russian players.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ongy4N0...

On the 4th of March 2025 I announced the following statement on a Gipsy Team forum (the Russian biggest poker forum)

It says that I noticed a pure dependency in iPoker's software to deal flops according to my folded on a preflop hand, probably, because I rarely join a rigged postflop on Red Star, so that the software tries to provoke me to play on the flop (according to the algorithm implemented).

Take a look at the results of these tournaments played by me to test the dependency AFTER I provided this conclusion -

Now you can open the research file and to watch, which hands I included to the analysis (I consider all the hands where I folded my hand on a preflop and the flop was dealt for other players to play it. Pocket pairs where excluded not to mix it with non-paired starting hands. Only 4 pocket pairs were involved though, not too much to exclude.)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...

Can you see the first tournament?

Here is a history of this tourney (I show it for your convenience, if you are not comfortable with excel - just open the hand history that I have attached above) -

During this game I folded my hand on a preflop 28 times and my opponents decided to play on a postflop, so it was dealt by the software. And, during these 28 hands, the table got flops which let me observe the following seria of combinations - (extra seria is marked with yellow on the picture)

Look, we can argue for ages but -

This seria of a flop hitting happens once in 276 flops in average. We played - 28 flops. A chance to meet AT LEAST this seria (of top pairs flopped) or "worse", I mean to meet -

- a seria of 5 or more hands length of such flop hitting frequency
- or a seria of 4+ of 5 flops dealt

is equal to 8,5%

Have you got any question until this point of my message?

Or do you stand on this is statistically normal to get a top pair 4 times of 5 flops dealt - taking into account it's 20% chances to get a top pair flopped for these starting hands - in each next tournament played?

Have you got any questions regarding this assessments - 8,5% and 276 hands in average to observe this or stronger/longer splash of a folded hand flop hitting frequency?

I just took one sequence of this tournament, in stead of taking TWO more splashes (which I should have taken actually), where at first - I hit top pairs and low pairs 5 times of 7 (in stead of 32%) and where I DO NOT hit 13 times of 14 flops dealt. It's important that I don't even take it into account! Specially for you, I only take the most "visible" sequence of 4 top pairs flopped of 5 flops dealt.

And now just check what happens in EVERY of 11 tournaments tested.

Even if I consider only ONE splash, in 10 of 11 tournaments a splash of flop hitting takes place, which happens (it's a basic poker maths, guys) - not more then in 20% cases. But actual assessments are much lower actually.

And during only one tournament we can see this -

Do you see the wave of second pairs? 4 times my folded starting hand hits the flop of 8 situations, right?

Looks like it's something, that I could consider as a rare case.

But NO, this wave only gives the following result of calculations -

Four combinations flopped of 8 flops dealt is NORMAL and are expected to appear once in 19 hands. I mean - I DO NOT exaggerate anything.

Even though, we can see 7 flops hits of 18 tries in the tournament 7. It's 39% in stead of 32% expected.

But the splash calculation shows a totally normal frequency, cause it's really - normal.

But it's not the same as -

Just take a fast look at the list of tournament #4 hands.

It's a pure algorithmic dealing of the flop by the software. And it is NOT random.

Questions?

I don't do any weird calculations here, I just show you that in 10 of 11 tournaments played combinations come with a crazy series of waves. Which is just unacceptable for poker gaming!

This is just a pure evidence of rigging the game on iPoker.

It's a long conversation here, man, with some prehistory.
If it's interesting for you, you can watch the materials I have sent to Gambling supervision authorities of 10 countries -

https://twoplustwo.com/Discussion-of-Pok...

I see. It sounded like you were saying as you were a winner in the $7 Pokerstars SNGs but unable to win on Ipoker then it absolutely must be rigged!

Well, look, I just meant, that it's really strange that I won 7$ SnG's, yes (I thought you have already seen these screens) -

You can only seen 585 tournaments here, but in fact I won much more, and it's checkable in shark scope, but I didn't use any tracker from the start of my gaming there on PS. I only started to use it later, here are my total results on PS 7$ MT SnG -

If i'm right, it's checkable on shark scope. 696 tournaments played, 1 030 $ profit. 21,1% ROI.

Lol, yes, it should look pretty strange that playing 1 table I managed to loose many limits on iPoker.

I specially played micros. To test the software of iPoker and to provide players the information about what is really going on in the room.

First of all John, it was wise of you to dont answer anything in my last points because these were all valid checkable points on which you clearly have no justification.
Johnmir let me explain something to you, that you won't (want to) understand

If you win over 696 tournaments on pokerstars but you lose over 6787 (10x as much) tournaments on ipoker It doesnt mean ipoker is rigged. From the numbers its way more likely you've ran well in those 585 tournaments than ran bad in 7k tournaments. Also, you cant say you played micros there as an experiment because you've never played anything but micros from hand 1.

The sample on stars is way too low to say you are a winning player. If anything the sample of ipoker tournaments which is 10x larger says you are a losing player. That sample is far more trustworthy.

Also, I did sharkscope your Pokerstars results and they do not match with what you are saying:

* Its not 696 tournaments but actually 4263 (another sample of your choosing i guess, only showing the winning period)
* You've played an avg stake of €3.44 which is micro play
* We cant see your profits/loss because you've not opted in but from the Form stat we can conclude that you are in fact losing here otherwise the if wouldnt be all red but 1 green (red means the graph is going down)
* The ability score is 57, this incredibly low and actually lower than the 60 you score on iPoker. And you were already losing there.

You keep on disregarding all the big data that proves you are a loser and keep on going back to a <5% sample of you on a winning streak that to you proves everything else must be rigged. Even though over 11k tournaments on sharkscope you are losing and over 40k cash game hands you are losing -20bb/100 at 10nl. These are the numbers that matter and NOT a screenshot of you winning after 585 tournaments. And NOT an excel sheet which you make yourself, this is very skewed data and you should understand that by now.

John if you are losing 95% of the time (and you are) and winning 5% of the time, the game isnt rigged, you are just very bad. You are the living personification of the dunning-kruger effect (look it up: The skill required to beat poker is the same skill required to see why suck at poker, and you clearly lack both)

Also John and answer me this honestly (not like everything else which is a lie) If you think you are winning on stars but losing on ipoker, why are you so certain the RNG of ipoker is rigged against you and not that the RNG of pokerstars is rigged in favour of you. Same logic, same reasoning, same lack of evidence😉

Start accepting the facts and stop living a lie John