Trapping Aggressive player preflop with KK and the pot balloons OOP

I don't see why we are checking the turn. It is an extremely wet wheel card flop, and he can't be expected to bluff when you represent a big pair preflop and turn could give you a set. Seems like you need to continue to bet, as you should represent the big pair, even if you didn't have it. Don't see how you could check the turn if you missed.

He shouldn't be betting huge trying to you to fold AA/KK, so turn and river sizes are concerning. If you had AK, you would probably bet the turn or fold to the pot sized bet and JJ/QQ are sets.

Stick to the plan and call. I assume he's super aggro which is why you limped.

Yeah, I don't think anyone is going to be able to fold. The problem is when you limp/reraise and check/call pot on the turn it looks like you have AA/KK. Now this guy may be so aggressive that he isn't slowed down by the limp/reraise and sees the check as weakness. His sizings look to me like he thinks you have what you have and won't fold. Is he really going pot/pot trying to get you to fold an overpair?

Unless villain is really bad, I would keep firing. That is what you would do with QQ+ unless you were trapping. If you had AK or a preflop bluff, you would keep firing representing QQ+.

I know this villain well, and based on how things had been going in the blinds with him in this session, I expected him to raise pre-flop if I limped. On 2 prior hands (he doesn’t chop), he had raised my small blind limps and then c bet the flops. And he relentlessly attacks limps. This hand went pretty much according to my plan, expect the river sizing. When he bet that large (less than pot size, but still large in absolute terms), it gave me pause. Did he actually make a set? I couldn’t come up with bluffs that he would call my preflop raise and call the flop with.

(correction to effective stacks, they were more like $2800)

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If he's an actual pro, I don't see how we can fold.

Especially given we checked turn. Why would you ever do that if the point wasn't to give him rope to then call it down? Did you really think you didn't have value with KK after he called a 3! pre and then only called a 1/3 pot bet on this low rainbow flop?

Really weird sizing from a *pro* on the river. Why not a simple PSB or even an overbet? He may think you're capped to pretty much exactly what you have. He can represent all the sets, and maybe he's betting the amount he thinks is enough to get you off an OP, while saving himself some money if he runs into it?

With my limp-3bet, my range really looks like AA, KK, AK.
I felt like c-betting the flop was standard.
When the Q hit the turn, I decided to check to disguise my hand, also to be honest I didn't want to get raised by him if I bet and then have a really bloated pot and a tougher decision. I thought there was a high likelihood of him range betting the turn if he didn't think I had an overpair.
When the J rivered and I checked, I thought a small bet from him would be targetting my A high to fold, or a thin value bet with AQ, KQ. But his actual large bet was polarizing, and I couldn't come up with his possible whiffs. Though, if my call on the turn convinced him I had a big pair, then he could have decided to turn whatever pair he had into a bluff. I didn't think he would float the flop with QJ, and I couldn't imagine him calling my preflop 3-bet with any other hands that make 2 pair on the river. So I thought it likely he could have a set.

And yes, he is an actual pro. He has some idea of how I play. I'm a winning regular, and some of the pros in the cardroom seem to not play at me hard, but this guy as well as another one do play aggressively toward me. I usually choose a seat directly to his left, as very often we start at a new game together on weekday mornings. I am sure he notices that. However, yesterday he took the 3 seat and I like the 2 seat, so I thought f--- it I'll sit directly to his right, and he'll notice I'm not avoiding him today.

Don't sit to this guy's right. Having any kind of ego in poker loses money, and I would argue that your sentiment of "Let me sit to this pro's right to prove that I am not scared" is driven by ego. Even the best players in the world game select -- why shouldn't you?

I also realllly don't like your pre-flop limp. If this guy is actually an aggressive player he will be re-raising wide to your immediate left, so just make it $25 pre-flop and avoid narrowing your range OOP versus a good player. If you want to trap, you can just flat when he 3bets.

As played, I would bet the turn (as others have said) and would not fold the river versus this guy, after we have taken this line.

Seems a lot like we could be folding range on the river, if we fold.

Do you have all 16 combos of AK on the river?

Do you ever check QQ on turn? Do you ever x/c JJ on turn (and limp/3bet it pre)?

Are we sure he never bets this size with AQ?
From his POV all you did was 3bet his assumed wide open, cbet a board good for your range (and AK/A5/A4 which he is now ahead of) and then check when no straight or BDFD hit turn ... yes, you then called turn but it's not obvious he knows you have AA/KK often enough AQ can't bet 75% of pot (knowing you can't raise often -- ever?)

If his range is just sets and bluffs then I don't see how he can't have AQ on river but can have JJ, so it's pretty much 3 value combos (and if he's putting in 125 pre with 55/44 then wtf is he doing with 66-TT).

Given you play a lot I'm not sure how you fold here and not get bluffed every hand forever, even if you are correct.

Well, you indeed managed to "trap" your V: he raised over your limp!
And now you are playing a 3bet pot, 500bb deep, oop against an aggressive pro, and with your hand almost face up.

Not to be rude, but "trapping" preflop is almost always plain ridiculous, even more so in this specific situation.
Just open raise your KK, 4bet if V 3bets and move from there.

As played, flop is about standard.

Turn seems like a mandatory 2nd barrell to me.

As played, river is whatever, but you really should never get there this way, imo.

Yeah, the limp/3! may be OK in some situations. Maybe if you are short stacked and can shove, or against several fish, or with a somewhat balanced range. Playing face up 500xBB OOP against an aggressive pro is not a good idea.

If you are going to limp/3! him in this situation, you should do it with a mixed range, not just AA/KK/AK.

If he can beat KK, he will play more or less as he did with big bets for value, knowing you will call down. Not to say this is a fold.

Pretty much what Niemand and deuceblocker said. Effective stack sizes are very suboptimal for what you tried to do preflop.

limp raising is so dumb, its just AA KK and maybe AK so often that you're just face up post.

Preflop, the original limper was a weak player, so I assumed that if I limped the SB, V would raise his entire range, and I could get value from that. I do think he overcalls IP when reraised preflop. Against the field he probably has an edge doing so, but I have a pretty tight range reraising him OOP and so against me I think he's been overcalling. He once won a big pot against me calling my 4 bet when I had AK and he had A5s IP. I have 4-bet bluffed him before with A5s, though he folded and I didn't show the hand.

I play often enough that I don't think V would assume my limp-raise range is unbalanced and limited to AA KK AK. I also don't think he would expect me to ever check AA or KK on the turn, because as you guys have said it's pretty standard for a player to double barrel there with an overpair.

If I were V, I wouldn't try to bluff a good opponent I had history with, who's looking today like they want to make a stand against my previous LAGgish abuse, and (after the big Turn call) has the World's Most Obvious overpair. You don't have AK here, and with that River size they're not looking for a thin call.

V's not worried H has QQ, and H isn't doing pf with JJ. V can have all the sets, though I think you both were deep enough that they'd have reraised QQ and JJ pre. I don't think you were deep enough they'd have contemplated calling with like 54s, but it's possible.

Ordinarily, it's a "you need 30% to call here, near top of our very capped range, savvy Pro: call," but I think the dynamic of this situation today merits a fold. I think you see something messed up like 55/54 if you call. AQ, from their perspective, after H x-calls an 85% Turn bet, means you don't have AK, so a pair of Queens is still losing.

Or I'm giving this pro way too much credit.

What is your actual preflop range and what do you perceive as V's preflop calling range? Without knowing this, it's very difficult to say whether V has enough bluffs to call.

Especially what hands are realistically limp/3-betting versus simply opening. Do you think V perceives this limp/3-bet range for H?

AK has the gutshot+2 ocs on the turn, plus may be ahead and hoping V doesn't barrel river. I could see H being perceived as having an underpair to the Q also. But this is somewhat wishful thinking.
It comes down to the river bet being a game of guts, he knows you have 1 pr at best and will turn up with some sick value hand sometimes.
The preflop spr, is in the uncomfortable middle. I'd rather have a 2b pot (smaller postflop bets) or 4b (low spr) and take something like this line. But here we are, seems like now u grit your teeth and call.

It seems to me the problem is you took a line that risked missing a full street of value with the 2nd nuts just to turn your hand face up for your opponent with more than 10x stacks left behind.

Is this a 3 street value hand OOP?

Results:

Well I was referring to preflop as being one of the streets you risked losing value on by completing just to set up a l/rr that (according to you) was just going to turn your hand face up.

But yes, KK is a 3-street value hand on 542r in a 3bp.

I'm confused by your confusion. Every Ax is either a GSSD + 2 overs or GSSD + pair or a made straight, and 3/4s of suited combos are BDFDs.

Played terribly by both players

67, 78, 86, suited Aces. Maybe just random garbage you said you expected him to raise almost any 2 hence your limp. Maybe he has 43, 53 etc

Medium pockets would been kinda dumb unless he was truly intent on getting you to fold KK and AA which seems like a dubious plan.