GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread
Lebron has more and greater chokes than Curry... No one ever choked like 2011 Finals.In addition to the 11' Finals, Curry never melted down like the 2010 ECSF, which caused "the decision" to quit real competition and embark on a colluding era instead... These are history-changing chokes that Curry never had, and Curry also doesn't have any series where he played worse than anyo
Yes actually lakers 2004 .
We don’t care who chokes more between curry and lebron.
Curry gets a pass and lebron doesnt .
u complain on small sample size about lebron but never for other players like curry where they did as bad , Thats the problem ….
I made a new handle to complain in another forum about the WSOP terms of service for their online poker offerings (apparently we all sign on to face "non-users" and agree to a house edge).
I just forgot to switch back to the fallguy handle.. I'm using my FG handle for this post because I'm on my cell phone but the laptop is logged into the Keynesian handle
Yes actually lakers 2004 .
We don’t care who chokes more between curry and lebron.
Curry gets a pass and lebron doesnt .
u complain on small sample size about lebron but never for other players like curry where they did as bad , Thats the problem ….
Choking is more acceptable if you already 3-peated first.. A player can't be knocked for failing to 4-peat (beat MJ).
Again... 1.8%... Those were the Mavs' chances of winning the lottery, aka everything is rigged, from democratic primaries (or lack thereof) to online the gaming, to the NBA.. The world's a stage and humans that get a good part cannot resist fraud
The Shaq/Kobe Lakers might've been remembered as the biggest underachievers of all time if they didn't always get bailed out by the refs against the blazers and the kings. And then to top it off they'd get miracle bailout shots from Robert Horry and Derek Fisher.
Choking is more acceptable if you already 3-peated first.. A player can't be knocked for failing to 4-peat (beat MJ).
Again... 1.8%... Those were the Mavs' chances of winning the lottery, aka everything is rigged, from democratic primaries (or lack thereof) to online the gaming, to the NBA.. The world's a stage and humans that get a good part cannot resist fraud
Ok did curry 3 peat ?
No…
And other players u give a pass didn’t either .
The Shaq/Kobe Lakers might've been remembered as the biggest underachievers of all time if they didn't always get bailed out by the refs against the blazers and the kings. And then to top it off they'd get miracle bailout shots from Robert Horry and Derek Fisher.
Everyone knows that the refs bailed out the Lakers against the Kings in 2002 - it was one of the biggest rigs ever... The Kings were better despite the Shaq/Kobe tandem, which shows how poorly the Shaq-led triangles were ran compared to MJ-led triangles, or even Kobe-led..
Shaq nearly always underachieved as 1st option given his talent level, which is similar to Lebron - both players have a tsunami of catastrophic losses, performances, and a record of shaky/fraudulent title teams despite ridiculous help... Otoh, when Kobe became 1st option, he instantly produced back-to-back champions with a sidekick that was worse than Bosh or Love (Pau), thus confirming his superiority to Lebron or Shaq..
Kobe's ability to produce superior teams with less help is due to the superior chemistry that his skillset produces - he had a goat level of jumpshooting volume/efficiency, and therefore assisted bucket capability in the halfcourt, which allows the capacity for the best ball movement, such as the triangle offense (a goat achievement).
I just learned that Kobe was not the first option from 2005-2008, since he "instantly" won championships when he became the first option.
Who was the first option those years?
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2007 PAU.................... 1x all-star.
2007 ZYDRUNAS........ 2x all-star
2008 JAMISON........... 2x all-star....... #14 MVP*
2008 PAU.................... 1x all-star....... nothing
* Jamison was a 20k scorer that outplayed Lebron HU in the 2007 1st Round and was extremely respected by peers.
I just learned that Kobe was not the first option from 2005-2008, since he "instantly" won championships when he became the first option.
Who was the first option those years?
Hi SABR... From 2005-2007, Kobe was like Lebron in 2004, 2005, 2008, or 2019 (45 wins or less).
However, Kobe instantly produced a back-to-back champion once he got a 1x all-star that compared to 2x all-stars like Zydrunas and Jamison, or worse than Bosh/Love... Infact, he had stronger teams with Pau than Shaq had with guys like Wade or Penny.
Kobe's ability to produce superior teams with less help is due to the superior chemistry that his skillset produces... Specifically, in addition to goat scoring diversity that fit any offense, teammate or coach, his goat level of jumpshooting volume/efficiency allowed assisted bucket capability in the halfcourt - this allows the best ball movement, such as the triangle offense (a goat achievement)..
Ultimatly, the ball movement systems used by every dynasty require ELITE off-ball players such as Curry, MJ, Duncan, or Kobe, so ball-dominators like Luka, Lebron and SGA can't produce dynasties.
Btw, Shaq was swept in 94', 95' and 96' with rich man's Pippen (Penny), while also having other 20 ppg scorers in Nick Anderson and Dennis Scott... So if Shaq gets destroyed every year with rich man's Pippen, then it shows how impossible it was to win with Pippen, let alone 3-peat... The stats and historical record of each playoff series shows that Pippen never played above a prime Iguodala or Larry Nance level, but the unprecedented winning spotlight inflated him to all-time status and media accolade.
If Jamal Murray was destroying SGA, it would be considered BAD that Jokic needs a comeback, not goat.
And the Nuggets weren't anywhere near the preseason favorite like Lebron's team was for an unprecedented 6th straight time in 2016.. These unprecedented advantages of favored rosters and sidekicks ousting MVP's required another unprecedented advantage to overcome it (KD's Warriors).
So I think it's official now. Ant is better than Jordan at the same age.At 23 he's now seen off KD, Joker, Luka & LeBron. And if the Warriors somehow advance he'll knock off Steph.It took to 27 before MJ even beat an all time great and it was aids-infested Magic. He was 0-6 against Bird.Then for the rest of his career he only beat baby Shaq and a couple of borderline Top 20 pla
"GOAT number 2" that is lol Fid
Ant now has beaten Curry Warriors. Another notch on his belt.
Fair call. Kobe is probably GOAT number 2. Without him it would have been harder for Shaq and Pau.
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When Pippen met Ewing in the 94' Playoffs, Ewing proved easily superior, as expected:
EWING'.... 18.7 gmsc... clutch in 4th
PIPPEN.... 15.6 gmsc... 3.0 on 20% in 4th quarter and numerous HISTORIC chokes
Pippen was never a franchise player that built a team from scratch... He was simply handed the goat dynasty, which he cratered to barely .500 in less than 18 months..
Any decent scorer would supplant Pippen as 1st option, so building around Pippen would restrict a team's capacity to add talent.. This is why secondary producers like Pippen, Klay, or Middleton aren't franchise players.
Let me know when he isn't carried compared to MJ at any age, or finishes at the rim without falling or stumbling, or the ball slipping out of his baby hands
Cough cough -> KD
Curry top 10 despite being carried and major choke , all good .
Lebron ? Even when he wins he get knock down .
FG will FG .
Ant averaging 8 rebounds per game these playoffs, something MJ never did, despite being 2 inches shorter.
It's almost a certainty that Ant is tracking better than MJ.
Cough cough -> KD
Curry top 10 despite being carried and major choke , all good .
Lebron ? Even when he wins he get knock down .
FG will FG .
Curry carried the Warriors to the 15' and 22' titles by defeating max defensive attention, aka carrying scoring load on for the playoffs and on the championship level/Finals.
Lebron never did that.. Lebron always needed equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention, so he never defeated max defensive attention (never carried scoring load on the championship level)...
Curry turned secondary producers like Wiggins, Poole and Klay into winners, while Lebron always needed to join 1st options and franchise players from other teams - he could never turn secondary guys like Klay, Wiggins and Poole into winners because his skillset turns everyone into spot-up shooter.
Ant averaging 8 rebounds per game these playoffs, something MJ never did, despite being 2 inches shorter.
It's almost a certainty that Ant is tracking better than MJ.
Fossil Rodman only averaged 3/8 for the 97' Playoffs, which forced MJ to co-lead the rebounds and average 8 as well - they both averaged 8 RPG and co-led the Bulls for that title run...
In addition to co-leading the rebounding for the 97' run, Jordan led the APG and carried the scoring load, while playing goat defense and goat clutch - it's the goat load.
Btw, if the Thunder lose Game 7, I think we can safely conclude that ball-dominators like 09' Lebron, 18' Harden, and 25' SGA are dogsh*t garbage, just like I've said for 1000 pages.. Their high volume of unassisted buckets leaves teammates standing in spot-up roles, which lowers their assists and the team's.. It's bad ball movement, which struggles to win and mostly loses... The Thunder's collapse tomorrow night will be another pinnacle of being proven right when everyone else was so certain that the ball-dominator would win... lol.. I warned you guys.. Ball-domination is a regular seasons strategy - it fails when faced with "adjustment basketball", aka playoffs.. Carry on...
And even if the ball-dominator wins, history shows that they can't be the leading scorer for great teams, such as dynasties (3 in 5), or dominant title runs (4 losses max).. Ball-dominators are 0 for 12 in this regard, since the play-by-play era began.. The assisted rates tell the story, since assisted rates of 47% or higher are required for these great teams (12 for 12).
MJ averaged less than 8 rebounds a game.
It's important to get facts right.
Like Durant outscored Curry by a couple of points in 17. Otherwise your 40% thing goes out the window.
Curry carried the Warriors to the 15' and 22' titles by defeating max defensive attention, aka carrying scoring load on for the playoffs and on the championship level/Finals.
lol, LeBron was alone in 2015 !
Huge carry by curry indeed o0 smh ….
Btw in 2015 final , lebron was 35/13/8
While the “second option” end up 14/7/1
Yup no max attention towards lebron lol…
Even then lebron won 2 games lol…
lol, LeBron was alone in 2015 !
Huge carry by curry indeed o0 smh ….
Btw in 2015 final , lebron was 35/13/8
While the “second option” end up 14/7/1
Yup no max attention towards lebron lol…
Even then lebron won 2 games lol…
Lebron carried the load in 2015, but not successfully... That's why I always say that he never DEFEATED max defensive attention (never carried scoring load on championship level successfully)
Obviously, any Tom, Dick or Harry can carry a weak cast to a loss, so it's all about successfully carrying the scoring load, aka DEFEATING max defensive attention... We know that Lebron's skillset emits a ridiculous ball-dominance and iso game at 35 ppg (shown above), so he can't beat any good teams at that scoring level (and never has).
So the issue is whether the player can WIN that way, and Lebron can't... Specifically, he lost in 2015 because he played exactly like Iverson with horrific chucking and zero defense - he doesn't deserve praise for this... If he had played better (such as holding Iggy to his normal 8 ppg and shooting a modest 45% - this shouldn't be too much to ask), the Cavs could've easily beaten the 1st-timer Warriors and their "normal" cast of 1 franchise player.. The Warriors were far from guaranteed because they became the first team since 1991 to win the title where the entire roster was 1st-timers in the Finals.. So they were very beatable... Kobe, Duncan or MJ would've beaten them and they wouldn't have needed much help.
Btw, look at how bad Lebron's iso game is compared to the GOAT.... Yikes... There's never been a player that enjoyed more secluded isolations with zero double-teams, yet LeBrick still shot below 40%... MJ and Kobe never shot below 40% in a loss, so you could never blame any loss on shooting below 40% (as 1st option)... Otoh, Lebron has several series losses while shooting under 40%.
MJ averaged less than 8 rebounds a game.
It's important to get facts right.
Like Durant outscored Curry by a couple of points in 17. Otherwise your 40% thing goes out the window.
I don't see what the issue is... You're mad that KD exists? Is that your argument? "B-b-but if the highly-assisted 1st option didn't exist, then you'd be wrong!!"... Well gee, I guess you're right Sherlock, but the problem is that he DID exist, so he was the highly-assisted 1st option required for dominant title runs... So it looks like everything stands, and when SGA loses tomorrow night (he's been solved), that will be the crown jewel... Another one bites the dust!!! (another ball-dominator - they can't win with "normal" rosters of 1 franchise player, or produce great teams, aka dynasties or dominant title runs)
Lebron carried the load in 2015, but not successfully... That's why I always say that he never DEFEATED max defensive attention (never carried scoring load on championship level successfully)Obviously, any Tom, Dick or Harry can carry a weak cast to a loss, so it's all about successfully carrying the scoring load, aka DEFEATING max defensive attention... We know that Lebron's s
Lebron alone won 2 games vs a team that 3 months later won 73 win .
Then he had access to Kyrie and love that didn’t play in the final in 2015 and they won…
Then the warriors acquired KD on a 73 wins team to counter lebron .
To put curry above lebron is ridiculous ….
Ps: it’s funny u blame lebron , biggest choke job ever (which it isn’t ) , losing vs the mavs and yet Kobe with a real double championship team got swept by that same team lebron lost to.
Swept !
Kobe 2nd game 23 pts
Kobe 3rd game 17 pts
Kobe 4th game 17 pts
Final stats 23/3/2 458 FG% What a performance !
I mean lebron lose 4-2 , biggest choke ever.
Kobe get swept 4-0 with a championship team calibre vs the same team with an atrocious performance too , it’s all good .
Double standard as usual
At least lebron won 2 games…..
Interesting Kobe is implicated in 2 massive choke job ?
At least lebron finish with a higher FG% then Kobe with 17/7/6.
Ps: lies , 2015 warrior would not lost vs mj Duncan or Kobe with no help, stop it …..
Again Kobe got swept by dirk with help but would win vs the 2015 warriors alone ?
lol…
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