JJ Hand
JJ Hand

JJ Hand

1/2 no limit button straddle with SB first to act

V older gentleman has only been at table for only about 20 minutes. They bought in for $300 max buy in and have straddled on button as most players at table are.

Hand

8 handed
H 625
V 270

Pre
B - straddle 5
SB - call
BB - H raise 25 with black JJ
UTG - V call
UTG+1 - call
LJ - call
B and SB fold
Pot ~ 110

Flop
4h4d6h
H bet 50
V raise 100
UTG+1 and LJ fold
Pot ~260

I should... Is this even a discussion or should this be an instant all in?

15 May 2025 at 04:06 AM
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It’s not a high five the dealer spot but I do think I’m shoving here. Lots of pairs or flush draws or straight draws could play this way. Of course so could a 4. I think with no more than V has behind I rip it and live with the outcome.


Make sure to knock the table and say 'if you got it, you got it' before shipping it in


Flop call, or even fold/shove, is whatever ... could easily change based on any population or specific reads. I'm not sure you'll get much useful knowledge if that's the part you are concentrating on.

In a vacuum I guess I'm calling flop min. raise, planning to check all turns and mostly fold if turn is a heart. Also would think a lot about folding if turn is an overcard to our pair and V shoves. Probably wouldn't worry too much about 75/53.

At this SPR it's kind of annoying that we can't easily bet/fold again, and we are OOP. Also doubt you have much fold equity on the flop so I like shoving less than calling by quite a bit ... any folds we do get are going to be from hands we are doing the best against.
If you want to shove flop I think it's very likely that call flop and donk shove non-heart turns is better.

Again, reads matter so if V is going to snap call A6 vs. a shove just do it on the flop before a K hits and he's scared.

Don't like the flop bet size though, would be much happier if it was $25 and we got raised. I'm not sure 77-99 always min. raise here when we rando bet half pot.

Preflop is meh, I don't hate it without reads but the fact we already had a limper and got 3 callers suggests we could do better.


lol instafold


by Stupidbanana m

lol instafold

Honestly, against the overall pool of 1/3 this is probably the winning move lol. So annoying but one of the things is they let you off the hook when they have it. I probably wouldn't be able to do it in the moment though.


Grunch:

I'm probably not c-betting the flop when we're OOP to three opponents, especially when the board doesn't smash our range. The pre flop callers are going to have way more 66 and 4x than we will. I would probably just check, and possibly raise depending on the action.

As played, I don't think we can fold to a min-click. This seems like a "see where I'm at" raise or a "buy me a cheaper river card" raise.

Maybe he plays 77-TT this way and will stack off. But if he's remotely competent, I don't think a jam gets called by worse value. So we're mostly hoping he's drawing, and will call off the rest if we jam.

He's only got $145 left, and the pot is $260... I dunno, but I think we're pretty indifferent between jamming and calling with the intention of just not folding no matter what the runout is.

Think my preferred line would be calling the flop, and donk jamming brick turns. As long as the turn doesn't complete any draws, just get it in.


Honestly, this feels like an automatic jam spot. You're sitting on top set with black Jacks on a super dry 4 4 6 board, and V only has ~$145 behind after their raise. You're far ahead of most of their range here, especially given the short-stack nature and how V just sat down recently. Not a ton of 4x in his preflop calling range, and even if he somehow had it, it's just a cooler.

If you're playing to win long-term, this is where you lean into pressure equity and ship it. Even on platforms like

, where strategy content blends with real-play examples, spots like this are considered strong shove situations in low-stakes live games.

So yeah... this isnÂ’t a discussion. This is a "rip it in and get called by worse" moment.


by Stupidbanana m

lol instafold

I assume this is a population read where banana plays ... If this is a random Tuesday at Foxwoods (although 99% of the time those players wouldn't straddle), then instafold is the nuts.
Even though sometimes they are value raising TT, it doesn't make up for the rest of the time they think they have it and have better than JJ.

But there was nothing in the OP and I've been at a bunch of 1-2 games where you shouldn't fold here, and the button straddle and min. raise and not having Jh all point to not folding.
But it's very possible that V just always has 4x or 66 or whatever here.

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