2-5 single raised pot.

I might raise to 40 instead of 30 preflop.

Also, I don't really like the raise size on the flop.

You wanted to get value right but the thing is, this check/minraise thing looks stronger than raising it to 150-200.
Imagine you were villain, if you had any piece of the board on the flop, you call whether the raise size is 200 or a minraise. Vs a minraise, you might be more inclined to fold vs a turn bet than a 200.

Now if you had raised to 200, you probably just shipping any turn.

Occasionally you'll run into brick walls like 77/33/A7/A3 but since you took the check/raise route, it's just risks you're willing to take.

Let's say instead of a 7 turn, it's a brick, would you bet or check. When you check/minraise the flop, any bet on the turn looks super strong, your fold equity might go up the roof. On a dry flop and a check/minraise, you're literally repping nutted range. I think villain folds everyhand besides 2p+ vs any bet on non 7 turns.

On this specific turn, villain might look up light with random Ax, so maybe bet small like 1/3. Then check/fold river. We are check/folding river because villain is only bluff catching with Ax, they won't bet the river themselves with random Ax. Yes we are folding to any aggression on top.

Now imagine you raised bigger on flop, we ship on this specific turn, v range might call light with random Ax because our line makes no sense. If villain had 7x, we can call it a cooler.

I like raising more from BB out of position into 3 limpers…. Like $35-$40. I don’t like the check raise flop as much as I’d like just a cbet. As played to turn I would lead. No reason to shut down just yet more hands you’re ahead of and can get value from. Id bet $160 or so and fold if he shoves. Responded before I read other guys reply.

If the turn was a brick, I would bet big since I would be fairly confident I have the best hand and would want to get value and protect my hand. I honestly hated seeing that damn 7 when it hit.

What would you do on the river if you bet the 160 and he just called?

I might go a little bigger preflop as others mentioned.

Flop: readless, against the general 2-5 population, I just make a standard c-bet here. I don't want to xr and fold out his AJ or ATs. And if he's tight, he can have AK and we're behind.

AP turn: from UTG, V can have Ax given the preflop action. I'm looking to xc and get to showdown on the paired board. H is uncapped and can have AA. So V cannot blast off. I think we folded his 7x with our flop xr.

Hand reading 101: V should not have any 7x given this action. Unless he’s a complete fish.

Xc turn/xf river or bet $100 OTR if checked through (which should happen a lot).

Agree w/ bigger pre from OOP. Flop raise should be bigger, too. Check/call turn. If turn checks through, I bet river.

I would flip my hand over, and expect to be staking chips in the pile most of the time lol..and if I lose I’d think nothing of it. But the pre sizing helps weed out some extra bullshit.. that extra $5 can do wonders

In this scenario, you would bet 160 on the turn, he calls the turn bet. What would you do on the river?

Would you check call or bet all in on the river?

Let me give you more info on how the hand went down.

On the turn when the board paired, I checked and he checked back.

River: Ac7s3h7d2d

On the river, I checked and he bet enough to put me all in.

I’m sure most or all of you would have played this hand different, what would you do as played when he bets enough to put you all in on river?

snap fold?

Grunch:

PRE - make that raise at least $45, if not $50. If UTG calls they'll all call, and multi-way OOP sux.

FLOP - just check from OOP when HU. Let him stab at it and tell us what he has with his bet sizing or check back.

As played I think I just call when he stabs for 1/2 pot or more. A check raise isn't getting called by anywhere near enough worse hands on this dry as toast board.

TURN - actually a really interesting card. Hard for V to call the flop x/r with just a 7. Harder for him to have the one combo of 77.

He probably has AX, often worse AX, but occasionally at low stakes you'll see this with AK in EP. Think I might actually check and see what happens. Again, let him tell us what he has with his bet size or check back.

If he checks back, I would think he has AT/AJ/AQ.a lot, and we're free-rolling when he has AQ and we bet a river brick.

That, or he turned quads and is sitting there praying we fall into his trap. Lawdy help us if we river top boat on another A. He's getting all our money and all we'll have is another $hitty bad beat story.

(Legit, a couple months ago I flopped quads with 77 and my V turned top boat with JJ. I beat him into the pot when he jammed river. Dude looked like he saw his wife working a Tijuana donkey show as he was walking out.)

Can't tell you what I'd do when I check and he jams, because I wouldn't get to the river this way. Your actions and bet sizing on every street put you in this awkward position where you don't know what to do.

Magically teleported to the river after botching the hand like this, I probably fold to an over-bet jam (or maybe call). Maybe tank and see if I can pick up any tells. Maybe try to get the guy talking. Eventually someone calls the clock and I either make a "f**k it" call or a "f**k this" fold.

Either way, if I could think clearly I hope I'd pick up and go home, knowing I'm not playing my best, and am likely to lose the rest of my stack.

Gross. What vibe do you get from this player? Does he seem competent, fishy, nitty, etc.?

Not sure I can fold this river (I don't get here this way, though), especially at 2/5 if V seems at all competent. Then again, not many players bluff/shove here, even at 2/5.

Flip a coin.

I have played with him a couple of times, I feel that the times I have seen him betting big on the river it leans more towards value than bluffs. I can also say that I have witnessed this player getting really lucky while playing trash hands.

With those reads, just sigh fold, give yourself a slight kick for how the hand was played, and move on.

Bigger pre

Bet flop

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I would have just cbet the flop. You've raised big preflop, basically you are going to be cbetting Axx flops an awful lot.

When your opponent continues to the check-raisr, what do you put him on? It's a limp-call. A weaker Ace makes most sense. I would just keep going before a scare card comes on the river. You can get the money in over two streets against a weak limp-caller, or just check the river if you like. As someone said above, the board pairing is completely inconsequential; nobody should have 7x here.

As played once it checks through, I'm torn between betting and checking. Probably betting for value against that weak Ace. Now you face a bet of - what, 400 into 250? - that doesn't feel like a weak Ace quite so much any more, but without any additional info I'm still calling.

Well, it’s hard to read hands when he is a complete fish.

I should have folded on the river but I convinced myself that since I checked turns and river he could have a worse A.

He ended up having 79.

So he called my pre flop raise with 79, he bet when I checked with a pair of 7s and called me when I checked raised the flop. Of course because he was bad and put a lot of money in the pot with a 7 he had to be given the winning hand on the turn. It would be wrong to allow me to be ahead and to make a big bet on the turn getting him to fold any equity he had vs me.

It sounds like a lot of people in this thread would have lost their money too, just in a different way.

I really don't get the flop checkraise.

oh sorry read that wrong lol I would jam almost every river here if he just calls turn....still folding to raise on turn. the check raise flop was a mistake and set us up wrong place at river tho

I don’t really see how the check raise was bad. If I c bet, he is probably going to just call, the check raise allowed me to get more money in the pot while I was ahead.

It was an extremely unlikely and unfortunate turn that screwed me in this hand.

I don’t understand what you don’t get about it. It allowed me to get more money into the pot while I was ahead.

This particular run it, it wasn’t good because he turned the winning hand on me but in general it’s good to get more money into the pot when you have the winning hand.

Can you explain why you think it was bad? Is it because you think he would be more likely to fold instead of just calling my c-bet? Or is there some other reason you think it wasn’t a good move?

You say he's a complete fish, and ask why people are telling you the flop check raise is bad.

And yet, you were given an explanation:

He's not the fish in this hand. You are.

"If I c bet, he is probably going to just call, the check raise allowed me to get more money in the pot while I was ahead."

Mmmmmmmno. Checking was good, because he'll either check back (in which case we can make a delayed c-bet on the turn), or he'll bet, and his bet sizing will often tell us something about his hand strength.

In this case, his 1/2 pot bet doesn't tell us quite as much as we'd like, but I'd say it's an indication of him not being sure how much he can bet with Ax, when we can have better or worse.

"It was an extremely unlikely and unfortunate turn that screwed me in this hand."

Mmmmmmmno. The board is going to pair on the flop about 16% of the time. Unlikely, but not extremely unlikely. And not really all that unfortunate, based on how the flop played. He shouldn't be stabbing at it for 1/2 pot and calling a check raise with just 7x, so it's unlikely he has trips on the turn.

That said, if you're going to check-raise, you should go bigger. Because you basically min-clicked it here, that might have confused him, and he might have gotten curious enough to call with 7x. Also, if he flopped a set with 77 or 33, he might not 3B the flop, especially over a check-raise, because it looks so strong.

So, because of how you've played the hand to this point, it's possible he turned quads, a boat, trips, or he just has AX, usually worse AX, but occasionally AK.

"I don’t understand what you don’t get about it. It allowed me to get more money into the pot while I was ahead."

Mmmmmmmno. You weren't necessarily ahead. Yes, you usually will be. But plenty of low-stakes regs will slow play AK pre from EP. They'll also limp-call with all sorts of trashy AX combos, like A7 and A3. And they'll limp-call with 77 and 33.

As I said, checking was good, to let V stab, and see if his bet size tells us anything. Here, it didn't tell us much, but we can infer that V isn't sure how much he can or should bet, whatever his hand is. That may be because his hand isn't all that strong, or it's very strong, but hes not sure how strong you are, and how big a bet you'll call when the board is ace-high and otherwise pretty dry.

"This particular run it, it wasn’t good because he turned the winning hand on me but in general it’s good to get more money into the pot when you have the winning hand."

You can't be sure he turned the winning hand. He might have had you beat on the flop. He might not have had you beat ever. The reason you can't be sure, and the reason we can't be sure, is the line you've taken in this hand, which doesn't make any sense. If it doesn't make sense to us, it may not make sense to V, opening the door for him to possibly bluff you off the best hand.

Why does your line make no sense? As you've been told -

1. Your pre-flop raise size is too small. It looks weak, like you're trying to attack all the dead money in the pot, but hesitant to commit to the bluff with a hand that isn't all that strong if you get called and have to play the rest of the hand OOP, and possibly multi-way. When you raise small, you're more likely to get called, and by a wider range.

2. Your flop check-raise is too small. It looks weak, like you're trying to rep a strong hand, but hesitant to commit on an ace-high board with few draws, meaning your bluff is more likely to be a complete air-ball than a hand with much equity to improve if you get called. When you raise small, you're more likely to get called, and by a wider range.

3. When you raise small pre, and raise small on the flop, and then check when the board pairs on the turn, V probably thinks you're either giving up with your bluffs, or trapping with a monster. He's very unlikely to think you're taking this line with a hand like AQ or even AK.

4. When he checks back the turn, and then you check again on the river, it looks really unlikely that you were trapping with a monster. Once he checks back the turn, there's no reason to think he's going to bet the river with thin value or a bluff, so all our strong hands want to bet for value. When you check, that gives him the green light to bet big, both with his value (AX, 7x, 33), and his bluffs, whatever they may be, though I'd think they'd mostly be low and middling pocket pairs, the way this was played.

If he's doing this with AX, he probably thinks *HE* has the best hand, or possibly he's good enough to recognize you may just have AX, and he's pushing you off a potential chop, or just getting you to lay down the best hand, because you've taken this weak line with it, and it looks like you're afraid he has 7x or better.

he just overbet shoved on the river.

Why the **** did you call? You think he's doing this with a bluff or worse Ax for value after calling a xr on the flop?

Even if I don't agree with the xr and x turn line, it doesn't matter. This is a low stakes fish or reg at best, right? Are they capable of an overbet bluff after this action?

You know the answer.