GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread
Klay and Dray were 1st time all-stars in 2015 and much better in 2016 - everyone on the team had a career year in 2016.
And Hundreds of players have carried their team to a 4-2 loss in a playoff series... Many have done it against 60+ win teams like the 15' Warriors too.... It's literally nothing that Lebron lost 4-2 and he could've won if he didn't play like Iverson or Westbrick...
2010 LEBRON......... 1st PER.... 1st BPM..... 1st VORP.... 1st WS/48
2010 WADE............ 2nd PER... 2nd BPM... 2nd VORP... 2nd WS/48
^^^^ this is like Magic and Bird teaming up.. then they added a player that was better than Pau (Bosh).
It wasn't to counter Lebron - it countered Lebron's colluding which produced a stacked and unfair team that had unprecedented advantages.. These unprecedented advantages included being the only team with multiple franchise players on 1 team (super-team), and 6 straight preseason favorites, and also a sidekick outplay the league MVP... Why is Lebron's unprecedented advantage okay, but the response is bad?... Is the league supposed to allow Lebron to continue having unprecedented advantages and the only super-teams or Big 3's in the league?.. Why are Lebron fans this dumb?
Curry did more with less, such as 73 wins with less help than Lebron's super-teams.
It's sad that you pretend like 73 wins = stacked cast, but that's false... The 15' Warriors were 8th in preseason odds, so nobody thought it was a good roster or could develop into 73 wins... Curry shocked everyone by producing such a great team without much help, yet you're pretending that he had Wade/Bosh/Allen or Kyrie/Love... Yet he only had Klay...
Curry's great ball movement system and great team was a function of his skillset, and this ability to produce great chemistry and brand of ball is why he's better than Lebron (who never produced great chemistry or brand).
….Ps: it’s funny u blame lebron , biggest choke job ever (which it isn’t ) , losing vs the mavs and yet Kobe with a real double championship team got swept by that same team lebron lost to.Swept ! Kobe 2nd game 23 ptsKobe 3rd game 17 pts Kobe 4th game 17 pts Final stats 23/3/2 458 FG% What a performance ! I mean lebron lose 4-2 , biggest choke ever.Kobe get
You're missing the background... Oddsmakers hated Lebron because he lost as the favorite for 3 straight years (09-11'), so they made his veteran super-team an underdog to 22-year baby Westbrick in 2012... The point is that Lebron was a serial choker and bed-wetter when he choked in 2011 and people wondered if he would ever win... Otoh, Kobe was a 5x champion and the goat in many people's minds when he was swept in 2011 as an older player.
Unlike Lebron, no one wondered whether Kobe would ever win because Kobe was a reputed assassin that destroyed the Spurs at 22-years old (33 on 53%), while Lebron choked against the Spurs (22 on 35% and 6 TO's)..
Lebron choked so much before he ever won that people thought he would never win... And he wouldn't have without the "decision" to team up with the #2 producer in the league and a 3rd option that was better than Pau.
Dalton "better than Pippen" Knecht played 4 minutes this post season.
Meanwhile rookie Pippen was leading the Bulls to their first playoff series win in 7 years. MJ was 1-9 in playoff games before Pippen joined for those keeping count. That one win was by 2 points.
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05' HUGHES............... 21.6 PER.... 4.3 BPM.... 0.157 WS/48.... 3.7 VORP.... 22/6/5... 1st Team All-D
90' PIPPEN................. 16.3 PER.... 1.8 BPM.... 0.087 WS/48.... 3.0 VORP.... 16/6/5... No All-D
[b]ROOKIE KNECHT....... 9/3/1 on 59% TS... 12.8 PER... 0.086 WS/48
ROOKIE KNECHT....... 8/4/2 on 49% TS... 12.9 PER... 0.066 WS/48
Dalton "better than Pippen" Knecht played 4 minutes this post season.
Meanwhile rookie Pippen was leading the Bulls to their first playoff series win in 7 years. MJ was 1-9 in playoff games before Pippen joined for those keeping count. That one win was by 2 points.
It proves that the Bulls had the worst cast of the 80's, since a player worse than Knecht got 27 MPG in the 1st Round (and MJ won the series), while Lebron's team is so stacked that Knecht gets 2 minutes (and they still lose).
Furthermore, when we compare Lebron's first playoff teams to Jordan's, we see that Jordan had a 1st-year team and no coaching, while Lebron had a well-coached, 3rd-year team that included the East all-star center and an acquisition that was better than 1990 Pippen on both sides of the ball (previous post)... Furthermore, Lebron wasn't all-defense until 09', so the 07' Cavs had better defensive ranking than the 1st three-peat Bulls because their backcourt and frontcourt had all-defensive resumes (Snow, Hughes, Varejao, Ben Wallace), while Zydrunas blocked 2 shots per game.. This is more defensive and offensive help than MJ ever had.
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05' HUGHES................ 21.6 PER.... 4.3 BPM.... 0.157 WS/48.... 3.7 VORP.... 22/6/5... 1st Team All-D
90' PIPPEN.................. 16.3 PER.... 1.8 BPM.... 0.087 WS/48.... 3.0 VORP.... 16/6/5... No All-D
ROOKIE KNECHT........ 9/3/1 on 59% TS... 12.8 PER... 0.086 WS/48
ROOKIE PIPPEN'......... 8/4/2 on 49% TS... 12.9 PER... 0.066 WS/48
Dalton "better than Pippen" Knecht played 4 minutes this post season.
Meanwhile rookie Pippen was leading the Bulls to their first playoff series win in 7 years. MJ was 1-9 in playoff games before Pippen joined for those keeping count. That one win was by 2 points.
It proves that the Bulls had the worst cast of the 80's, since a player worse than Knecht got 27 MPG in the 1st Round (and MJ won the series), while Lebron's team is so stacked that Knecht gets 2 minutes (and they still lose).
Furthermore, when we compare Lebron's first playoff teams to Jordan's, we see that Jordan had a 1st-year team and no coaching, while Lebron had a well-coached, 3rd-year team that included the East all-star center and an acquisition that was better than 1990 Pippen on both sides of the ball (above)... Furthermore, Lebron wasn't all-defense until 09', so the 07' Cavs had better defensive ranking than the 1st three-peat Bulls because their backcourt and frontcourt had all-defensive resumes (Snow, Hughes, Varejao, Ben Wallace), while Zydrunas blocked 2 shots per game.. This is more defensive and offensive help than MJ ever had.
larry hughes being better or not for that specific 2005 year who cares ?
ill take pippen 91-98 over larry hughes every year he played shrug.
^^^ Hughes was a coveted acquisition that Lebron recruited
larry hughes being better or not for that specific 2005 year who cares ?
ill take pippen 91-98 over larry hughes every year he played shrug.
Hughes had 2 good years alongside Arenas and was entering his prime... He fit well with a great jumpshooter and off-guard like Arenas but got destroyed alongside Lebron's ball-dominance - this was similar to Bosh, Love, Jamison, Westbrook, Ingram, Kuzma, and many more... Lebron received MANY pippens but his skillset doesn't develop young players (turns everyone into spot-up shooter).
So why are we pretending with Hughes when we know that Lebron turns everyone into spot-up shooter?.. Hughes was a coveted acquisition (see above).
So again, when we compare Lebron's first playoff teams to Jordan's, we see that Jordan had a 1st-year team and no coaching, while Lebron had a well-coached, 3rd-year team that included the East all-star center and an acquisition that was better than 1990 Pippen on both sides of the ball.
Furthermore, Lebron wasn't all-defense until 09', so the 07' Cavs had better defensive ranking than the 1st three-peat Bulls because their backcourt and frontcourt had all-defensive resumes (Snow, Hughes, Varejao, Ben Wallace), while Zydrunas blocked 2 shots per game.. This is more defensive and offensive help than MJ ever had.
larry hughes being better or not for that specific 2005 year who cares ?
ill take pippen 91-98 over larry hughes every year he played shrug.
Btw, I realized something today about Pippen - show me where opposing SF's say he's a great defender and hard to score on.. Show me where Dominique, Hill, Penny, Glenn Robinson, Mashburn, X-Man, Schrempf, Rice and other matchups rave about his defense... They never did... The only people that laud Pippen's defense are the media, teammates and coaches - they're forced to say nice things about Pippen and learned that it's easier to compliment his defense - this dynamic has drastically overrated his defense... No actual matchups praise Pippen because they all busted his a**.... Opposing SF's destroyed Pippen.... Watch Grant Hill vs Pippen - Hill scores on pippen like he's a CHILD... Dominique doubled Pippen in the 93" 1st Round (30 to 15)... X-Man dominated and bullied Pippen so that MJ had to confront X-Man in game 7.. Pippen never locked anyone down as the primary defender.. He wasn't feared ever.. Btw, the bulls had weaker defensive ranking than 5 of 6 ECF or Finals opponents during the first 3-peat (91' Pistons, 91' Lakers, 92' Knicks, 92' Blazers, 93' Knicks)... So the Bulls had weaker defenses than most contenders and among the weakest scoring help in the league.
^^^ Hughes was a coveted acquisition that Lebron recruited Hughes had 2 good years alongside Arenas and was entering his prime... He fit well with a great jumpshooter and off-guard like Arenas but got destroyed alongside Lebron's ball-dominance - this was similar to Bosh, Love, Jamison, Westbrook, Ingram, Kuzma, and many more... Lebron received MANY pippens but his skillset doe
6 All-nba teams is a HoF career, Lebron now has 6 more All-Nba selections over 2nd place. Absolutely absurd, only 6 players have even played 21 seasons.
6 All-nba teams is a HoF career, Lebron now has 6 more All-Nba selections over 2nd place. Absolutely absurd, only 6 players have even played 21 seasons.
21 more than Larry Hughes.
Can't see 21 ever being broken.
I mean MJ was basically half of that.
It's not even close between the two.
well lebron never been proven to be a great gm so...
maybe hughes shouldnt of been that coveted shrug.
Hughes was coveted by everyone because he was a 22/6/5 1st team All-defensive player a top five 2-way player in the league..
The media reported it as Lebron getting his "pippen" (images/cliffs were posted above and link to the full Sports Illustrated article
- skip the first 10 sec to not see how idiotic u are about pippen.there is no one who would pick hughes over pippen when mj won rings .
Kobe was a member of the media when he made the video, and it's low caliber is seen by looking at the featured matchup - Pippen vs the slowest point guard of all-time (Mark Jackson).
Why didn't Kobe show Pippen locking down Glenn Robinson?... How about Jamal Mashburn or X-Man?.. Why won't Kobe show Pippen locking up James Worthy??... What about Richard Dumas, Schrempf, or Juwan Howard?... Oh, I know - Dominique - surely Pippen was locking him up.. The reality is that everyone torched Pippen - Worthy used to score on Pippen like he wasn't even there, and he continued to do this with a broken ankle in the Finals.
So back to the theme of the thread - the media is BS, whether they're tricking you into thinking the Lakers had a real shot this year, or whether it's Kobe pretending that bodying up the slowest PG of all-time is a big deal... Kobe could've made a much better video of any 1st team All-Defensive player, such as Larry Hughes... Again, Hughes was MUCH BETTER than 1990 Pippen, and that's what MJ basically beat the Bad Boys with in 1990 (migraine notwithstanding).. And once Pippen was slightly better than 2005 Hughes (PER, BPM, etc), that was good enough for 2 three-peats.. That's how great MJ was.
Dalton "better than Pippen" Knecht played 4 minutes this post season.
Meanwhile rookie Pippen was leading the Bulls to their first playoff series win in 7 years. MJ was 1-9 in playoff games before Pippen joined for those keeping count. That one win was by 2 points.
it shouldn't be lost that Knecht (88' Pippen) playing 27 MPG required 45 ppg from MJ to win the 1st round against the Cavs 3-1.. He also took a game off the Bad Boys with Knecht and eventually won 6 chips with him
Hughes was the third choice after Ray Allen and Michael Redd.
He was a consolation prize with cap space burning a hole in their pocket, gtfo with him being a Pippen-type get. People that were alive and have memories know you're full of ****.
He was the equivalent of Evan Turner, not Kevin Durant. As always, you're a liar and a clown. Going to be funny when LeBron retires and you're screaming into the void while no one cares (we're basically there now, LeBron continually being shockingly great is what keeps the embers alive).
Hughes was coveted by everyone because he was a 22/6/5 1st team All-defensive player a top five 2-way player in the league.. The media reported it as Lebron getting his "pippen" (images/cliffs were posted above and link to the full Sports Illustrated article
Kobe was a member of the media when he made the video, and it's low caliber is seen by looking at the featured matchuKobe at the mercy of the media , not being his own man ?
So unable to have an unbiased opinion solely about pippen ?
Funny take that is ….
FWIW I will say the person who got the most bias opinion I ever saw a person have over 1 player is you about LeBron …
Regardless, no idea why you focus so much on that specific 1990 year of pippen , like this was a 100% representation of pippen career (not even a title year ) when it isn’t but ….carry on shrug .
There is not 1 year of entire Hughes career I would choose him over pippen 91-98 .
About Larry Hughes potential not being fulfilled is just conjecture by you .
Bron is already old news ftmp. Those that follow the NBA and care about it currently are largely over him at this point.
It's the Stephen A's and old heads like you that want to relitigate a cold case.
A reminder that Hughes played 146 games with LeBron. That's about half the number of mentions from Fallguy in this thread.
People like Falk, Stephen A, and others are realizing that they misreported on Lebron's career.
They let Lebron get away with the 2010 meltdown.. It was never covered for the obvious choke that it was, which established a precedent of babying Lebron... This continued by pretending "the decision" wasn't deck-stacking, even though the Lebron's pre-decision teams were already enormous favorites over the fossil Celtics (-500), and they only lost because Lebron quit in a historic meltdown.
The meltdown and his failure to win the conference with homecourt for 2 straight seasons prompted the "decision".. The "decision" produced an unprecedented 6 straight preseason favorites (the previous high was 3), and a sidekick that outplayed the league MVP (unprecedented).
But again, the media pretended that this unprecedented advantage wasn't something that needed to be overcome by another unprecedented advantage (KD's)... This misreporting has destroyed KD's legacy. since his unprecedented advantage was "cheating" but Lebron's unprecedented advantage wasn't.
Kobe at the mercy of the media , not being his own man ?
So unable to have an unbiased opinion solely about pippen ?
Funny take that is ….
it's facts - it was a garbage analysis that fooled you, which means that kobe caught onto the media thing QUICK, don't you think?
Kobe was all about winning at things just like MJ
We can estimate MJ's greatness this way.
i.e. MJ nearly beat the Bad Boys in 1990 with a player that was MUCH worse than 2005 Hughes, based on PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48, scoring, efficiency, passing, and All-Defense.
And once Pippen was slightly better than 2005 Hughes (PER, BPM, etc), that was enough help for MJ to win 2 three-peats.. That's how great MJ was.. Otoh, Lebron was gifted several players that were better than 1990 Pippen (2019 Ingram, 2005 Hughes, 2005 Zydrunas) but couldn't develop them because his skillset turns everyone into spot-up shooter.
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Lebron received 4 players that were superior to 1990 Pippen but his "bron-ball" skillset imposed spot-up roles, so he couldn't develop them or win anything with them like MJ did with Pippen:
05' HUGHES.................. 21.6 PER... 0.157 WS/48... 3.7 VORP... 4.3 BPM... 22/6/5.... 1st Team All-D
90' PIPPEN.................... 16.3 PER... 0.087 WS/48... 3.0 VORP... 1.8 BPM... 16/6/5.... No All-D
09' MO WILLIAMS........ 17.2 PER... 0.165 WS/48... 3.1 VORP... 2.3 BPM... 17/3/4
90' PIPPEN.................... 16.3 PER... 0.087 WS/48... 3.0 VORP... 1.8 BPM... 16/7/5
09' JAMISON................. 20.6 PER... 0.126 WS/48... 2.8 VORP... 1.6 BPM... 22/9/2
90' PIPPEN.................... 16.3 PER... 0.087 WS/48... 3.0 VORP... 1.8 BPM... 16/7/5
06' ZYDRUNAS'.............. 21.9 PER... 0.184 WS/48... 2.1 VORP... 1.6 BPM... 16/8/1 (2 bpg)
90' PIPPEN..................... 16.3 PER... 0.087 WS/48... 3.0 VORP... 1.8 BPM... 16/7/5
2007 1st Round
JAMISON.... 32 ppg
LEBRON..... 28 ppg
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From Sports Illustrated:
Hughes was the third choice after Ray Allen and Michael Redd.
He was a consolation prize with cap space burning a hole in their pocket, gtfo with him being a Pippen-type get. People that were alive and have memories know you're full of ****.
Any player that averaged 22/6/5 with 1st team defense will be a coveted free agent, and the media DID report it as Lebron getting his Pippen (above).
Lebron was gifted many guys that were better than 1990 Pippen, such as 2019 Ingram, 2005 Hughes, 2005 Zydrunas, or 2009 Jamison, but his skillset of turning everyone into spot-up shooter couldn't develop anyone... No one developed into a meaningful producer alongside him, so zero teammate development is a fact about his game and he's inferior to other guys for this reason and others.
Your thoughts on Hughes after he left the Cavs? I mean he had just turned 29 and in his prime.
it's facts - it was a garbage analysis that fooled you, which means that kobe caught onto the media thing QUICK, don't you think?Kobe was all about winning at things just like MJWe can estimate MJ's greatness this way.i.e. MJ nearly beat the Bad Boys in 1990 with a player that was MUCH worse than 2005 Hughes, based on PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48, scoring, efficiency, passing, and All
That’s fine but that got nothing to do on how great or bad Hughes is and how pippen is better or not over Hughes ….
And u compare a guy at his 7th year in the nba to younger pippen 3rd year ….
Pippen was in ascending journey while the “great” Larry Hughes hit his “peak”.
Pippen is just a vastly better player when they win rings then Hughes and had a better career too .
Ps: your some opinion isn’t fact .
U are the first person I hear that says Kobe analysts are trash …
Sorry I’ll take more then 1 bias opinion to changed my tune about Kobe …
