Vegas Cash Game Bomb Pots
Any low-level NLHE or PLO cash games in Vegas doing hourly or half-hourly bomb pots these days? If so, are they all doub
You should be aware that these bomb pots do NOT have a separately rotating "bomb" button. Playing bomb pots on the regular dealer button gives a giant edge to a savvy player who finds the right seat. Likewise it puts the player in a seat that is usually in poor position in a bomb pot at a huge disadvantage. I assure you the bigger winners among the regulars are aware of this.Th
yeah this is an overblown concern.
of course position helps but playing bomb pots well can be great no matter what position you are in. there is tons of chips going in from all positions. in fact people "in position" may be overplaying their hand. people don't fold in BP enough and many streets get re-raised.
Position in bomb pots is whatever. Doesn't matter nearly as much as in a regular hand. Sometimes it's even better to be OOP.
The bomb pots at Venetian do have a rotating bomb pot button. And yes, the bomb pots are great if you are half competent at PLO and split pot games. Even lots of the good NL regs are bad at bomb pots
Am only .01% competent, much less half. Of all the time I tried playing Omahahaha, I only cashed out chips once.
I sat out the DBBP when I played at Venetian.
Position in bomb pots is whatever. Doesn't matter nearly as much as in a regular hand. Sometimes it's even better to be OOP.
Position in PLO DBBP is 10x more important than hold ‘em. It is incredibly difficult to play hands OOP and get max value when board texture massively changes from street to street.
Example I played yesterday:
I have KKT8. The boards are K94hh/973r. I pot $120 in MP and get two calls from HJ and button . Turns K948hh/9734 I pot $480, HJ calls button folds. Rivers K9485/97345 and we have $900 left.
If I’m in position and V checks I know KK is good and can possibly fold him off a chop. Being OOP and 67 is now the double nuts effectively I’m not sure if I should shove or check. I checked and he shoved and now I’m in a world of pain because I’m OOP. I ended up calling and we chopped but he’s in the same spot - if I check he should probably always shove since I can’t have the nuts anymore.
I think the only way being OOP could be considered an advantage in bomb pots is that you can commit stacks with a big check raise.
I'm not saying OOP is an advantage in BP, I'm saying the implied advantage of being in position for BP is overrated
Position in PLO DBBP is 10x more important than hold ‘em. It is incredibly difficult to play hands OOP and get max value when board texture massively changes from street to street.Example I played yesterday: I have KKT8. The boards are K94hh/973r. I pot $120 in MP and get two calls from HJ and button . Turns K948hh/9734 I pot $480, HJ calls button folds. Rivers K9485/97345 and
I think not shoving river here is a common bomb pot mistake. I get that 67 is certainly possibly in the villain’s hand, given that he could have called a pot bet on the flop based on the other two cards in his hand, but it’s unlikely. Being OOP in this situation might actually have been advantageous since you get to act first and could run him off, but you failed to capitalize.
I think not shoving river here is a common bomb pot mistake. I get that 67 is certainly possibly in the villain’s hand, given that he could have called a pot bet on the flop based on the other two cards in his hand, but it’s unlikely. Being OOP in this situation might actually have been advantageous since you get to act first and could run him off, but you failed to capitalize.
It took me a while to figure out that it’s hard for V to get to the river with 67 (but still possible obv). In the moment it seems like that’s a huge part of his range with all of the potential FDs in his range but then I realized he’d need to have something like 9765 or 776 or A76hh and that might even fold turn for a huge bet. He ended up having 2p on both boards so maybe he folds to a shove or maybe cry calls. Either way being OOP when V has a ton of draws in his range and they mostly complete river sucks.
How do fish and newer players feel about this? I’ve seen a few new players sit out because they were too uncomfortable to play it. Others have played so they could fit in at the table, but I hope it doesn’t discourage them from playing in the future.
Obviously some will be introduced to the game and might like it.
How do fish and newer players feel about this? I’ve seen a few new players sit out because they were too uncomfortable to play it. Others have played so they could fit in at the table, but I hope it doesn’t discourage them from playing in the future.
Obviously some will be introduced to the game and might like it.
I think it's bad for poker to have PLO bomb pots in Hold em games like Venetian has. Newbies just get destroyed faster which is great for pros/regs but bad for the game long term. At least with a hold 'em game, it's the same game except split pot which they can understand more easily (and still play incorrectly).
I'm sure many love the action of bomb pots which is why they have become popular.
I think it's bad for poker to have PLO bomb pots in Hold em games like Venetian has. Newbies just get destroyed faster which is great for pros/regs but bad for the game long term. At least with a hold 'em game, it's the same game except split pot which they can understand more easily (and still play incorrectly). I'm sure many love the action of bomb pots which is why they h
What Venetian should do is have a cap for the PLO bomb pots, like $300 since that's the cap for the actual 1-3 NL game. It could create more action since players know the most they can lose is $300 for the hand while protecting the integrity of the chip stacks.
How infuriating when the big fish at the table has a huge stack and loses most/all of it in a PLO double board bomb pot and now quits cause he lost a huge pot or they're only able to rebuy $300.
While I don't like these bomb pots mostly cause I don't know how to play PLO, I understand them as they are huge in Texas. But I think you should protect stack integrity somewhat. Also if it's a big multiway pot, they can take up to 10 minutes so you are left with 20 minutes of holdem before another bomb pot occurs that can eat up another 5-10 minutes of the down.
And I totally agree in NL games, it should be a holdem double board bomb pot at least at the lowest level of 1-3. If they want to run them at 2-3 and above, be my guest.
Position in PLO DBBP is 10x more important than hold ‘em. It is incredibly difficult to play hands OOP and get max value when board texture massively changes from street to street.Example I played yesterday: I have KKT8. The boards are K94hh/973r. I pot $120 in MP and get two calls from HJ and button . Turns K948hh/9734 I pot $480, HJ calls button folds. Rivers K9485/9734
Why would you check? You have 900 left with 1440 in the pot. You're not deep on the river..
Id much rather be OOP here so you can be the first one to bet . You're not folding the river anyway. If he backdoored 67 (with a 7 on the other board) he's just getting all the money.
The only reason to check is he's an absolute agro monkey who would bluff the river and you think you can scoop.
Otherwise you should be betting and trying to fold him off a chop with some dusty 2 pair on the 4 liner board.
Deep stacked id check bc betting then getting raised absolutely sucks.
Why would you check? You have 900 left with 1440 in the pot. You're not deep on the river..Id much rather be OOP here so you can be the first one to bet . You're not folding the river anyway. If he backdoored 67 (with a 7 on the other board) he's just getting all the money.The only reason to check is he's an absolute agro monkey who would bluff the river and you think you can
Agreed in hindsight but I’m making decisions in real time and made the wrong one, didn’t say I’m the bomb pot master. Got to love bomb pots!
"NL is boring"
"how about we change it up and play with 4 cards?"
"meh, that's a good start"
"okay, and we will do two boards"
"I'm listening . . . "
"oh! and we will have everyone go straight to the flop"
"so we doubled the hole cards, doubled the boards AND made sure 9 people went to the flop?"
PLO double board bomb pots is the crystal meth of poker
Everyone is alive even after the river since some people cant figure out what they have
I'm not a fan, but it sure is fun to watch.
How do fish and newer players feel about this? I’ve seen a few new players sit out because they were too uncomfortable to play it. Others have played so they could fit in at the table, but I hope it doesn’t discourage them from playing in the future.
Obviously some will be introduced to the game and might like it.
I sat out and didn't care about "fitting in". After the first bomb pot about 7 players sat out, so they didn't run the bomb pots the rest of the time I was there.
How do fish and newer players feel about this? I’ve seen a few new players sit out because they were too uncomfortable to play it. Others have played so they could fit in at the table, but I hope it doesn’t discourage them from playing in the future. Obviously some will be introduced to the game and might like it.
I sat out and didn't care about "fitting in". After the first
#tablechange
I’ll be there in 2 weeks and also a NL player who grew to know PLO bomb pots over past couple years and have grown to love them. Entering this comment as a compliance piece if I sit at a table that offers PLO bomb pots and table refuses, time to get off that table.
#tablechange
I'll be there in 2 weeks and also a NL player who grew to know PLO bomb pots over past couple years and have grown to love them. Entering this comment as a compliance piece if I sit at a table that offers PLO bomb pots and table refuses, time to get off that table.
this. you obviously have every right to sit out but guaranteed a table full of people sitting out is an awful table.
Am only .01% competent, much less half. Of all the time I tried playing Omahahaha, I only cashed out chips once.
I sat out the DBBP when I played at Venetian.
So instead of giving the smallest amount of action to appease fish and help your image, or learn how to win money, you decide to piss off the table and be a life nit. Great decision.
The last time I was at Venetian it was regs that wanted to play it the most, not fish. It looked like some regs were using this as an attempt to win more money off the fish even faster.
I didn’t see anyone get pissed off if a player sat out. Fish didn’t care.
Is pig4bill the burner account of El Diesel?
No smartphone
Hates action
Could be?
The last time I was at Venetian it was regs that wanted to play it the most, not fish. It looked like some regs were using this as an attempt to win more money off the fish even faster.
I didn’t see anyone get pissed off if a player sat out. Fish didn’t care.
Most of the table didn't want to play. They need a majority of players that want to play in order to deal it. Every dealer change when they asked, the most they got that wanted to play was 2.
My fingers don't activate touch screens properly. I took 20,000 volts in an electronics lab class. You complain because I don't want to play as you do. Let's see you take 20,000 volts.
I don't hate action, I hate Omaha.
