Nuts full house on the flop
Nuts full house on the flop

Nuts full house on the flop

5-10

1 limper, we raise to 50 , with ttj7 ds , get 4 callers .

Flop (250) T55 two spades , we don't have spade .

We cbet 125

Tight player on the button raises to 500 .
He has around 2000 , we cover .

What's the best play here ?

Should we shove on hem ?

From 1 hand alot of action killers to come , from the other hand , he might fold if we 3 bet the flop .

What do you guys do here ?
Our image is pretty tight at the moment .

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we just call , turn come offsuit 2 , going check around , river Ad ,
Here also was debating if to check raise hem or bet as this ace fills hem up alot .
Eventuallyi bet 400 hoping we would raise with a5 , but he just called . Feela like alot of missed value at this spot .

06 June 2025 at 12:17 AM
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I like raising flop esp if he raised with 2+ people still to act behind him. He's very unlikely raising with some dry FD even NFD and since he has a 5 he likes enough to raise I'd just oblige him. I see plenty of people stack off not great 5's in this spot as well so I'd just tank jam on him


you just stick it in and hope hes got some 5x bs tbh. hes never rly betting turn once called otf and so youre giving him 2 free cards essentially


Obvious call for me. Free cards to what?

You are incentivized to shove what here? Exactly full houses, but can't find any sensible bluffs. Thus it's logical to have no shoving range.


Check the flop.


AA should be a concern for V so no one is fist pumping raising A5 there, i would just bet 75-80% pot

Flop and turn is fine imo


I would bet smaller on the flop so spades can call and 5x can raise. As played he’s repping a big hand or air so let him keep doing that.


by amok m

Obvious call for me. Free cards to what?

You are incentivized to shove what here? Exactly full houses, but can't find any sensible bluffs. Thus it's logical to have no shoving range.

Didn't say free cards, action killers cards .

If a spade comes he probably shuts down with 5 .
If any cards the doesn't fill hem up he probably slows down


Your right, it is hard to extract max value here unless he fills up on the turn or river. Call and then lead small on turn, $250ish, a little bigger if turn is a spade, more like $400, repping the flush. Should keep his naked 5 in while building the pot and he may raise a spade turn that fills him up. Now you can lead river for $600-$700 and hopefully get paid off by his 5x thinking you could have an AA/KK type of hand.


by Cardead m

Didn't say free cards, action killers cards .

And I didn't say you said free cards.

by Cardead m

If a spade comes he probably shuts down with 5 .
If any cards the doesn't fill hem up he probably slows down

Yes. So is your solution really shoving all your strongest hands? I don't think it's the best solution even if it might work sometimes.


And we don't even know what your position is compared to others so hard to analyze the flop play. But you certainly should be checking some.


agree with smaller cbet

calling the raise is fine

river lead is good, but sizing is too small


by monikrazy m

agree with smaller cbet

Why bet smaller flop?


My take on this whole thing, surprise, surprise, is going to be stack-to-pot related. This hand was played 200bb deep. Be careful getting stuck in your 100bb mindset because you might end up using bet sizes that are too small to get your opponent's whole stack. In your normal 100bb mindset, 1/3 pot sized bets often work well as a tool on your tool belt. But once you get up to 200bb effective stacks, you might need to replace the 1/3 pot size bets with 1/2 pot size bets to still be able to capture your opponent's entire stack by the river.

I am willing to walk the earth in sandals preaching the gospel of stack to pot. Check-raising is allowed, therefore I'm not saying you have to bet this flop. But, below is the math if your goal was to bet the flop, get only one caller and then bet the turn an amount to set up a pot sized river shove.

The effective stacks starting the hand were $2,000. You raised $50 preflop leaving a stack of $1,950 on the flop divide by $250 which would be a flop stack-to-pot of 7.8 which you need to get down to an SPR of 4 on the turn heads up so that you can pot the turn and then pot the river all-in. If at anytime you don't want to bet a street then don't, but I'm just giving you the math on three streets of betting all done by you to get you opponents entire stack.

Cbetting $110 on the flop and getting only one caller creates a turn SPR of 4, which is two pot size bets left and two streets left. Cbetting $110 in a pot of $240 is you cbetting about 45% of the pot. Once you start getting 200bb+ deep that 1/3 pot size bet that works for 100bb stops working well if you want someone's whole stack. OP cbetting $125 (50% of pot) was fine.


Stacking someone with 200bb is gonna be really hard on this flop - unless the player is atrocious.

Your pre-flop hand also isn't great if you can't isolate it.

As for flop you won't have a shoving range because you will have no bluffs so you should only call. Some people in these live games play so bad though that maybe shoving could be the best play because they just never fold the 5, but from my experience - even in wild games - they will fold after raising unless they have 55 or 5txx. Maybe A5KJ will pay you off but I still think calling will by far be the best play.

Turn is fine

River i'd go $850+ - not sure why you only go $400 but that's not great. He's never raising A5 to get called by what? A hand that beats him =) - He has a bluff catcher at this point. He will never raise unless he has a top nutted hand and A5 is not a top nutted hand.


We don’t just get to stack everyone when we have the nuts.

We have not only our range to think about but our opponents as well.

Here we should be betting multi-way but checking a lot heads-up. Assuming we were multiway so the bet is fine. We never check raise this hand as naked and weak 5s will and should always fold but we can XR with just T5.

3 betting is a torch unless we specifically know our opponent is never folding a 5. We are just praying he has like AKQ5 or something g similar as we heavily block T5.

What we can do is exploitatively size up as our theory bet should be small, to get value from never folding 5s.

I like a flop call. Turn check is fine. River we either need to be checking or potting. Small size accomplishes nothing as we are very polar here. Boat or nothing. I like checking with an A as A5 can and should value bet here and then going for a XR. If he checks back A5 I’d make a mental note and over fold any river bet this nit fires off.


by Echemondo m

We don't just get to stack everyone when we have the nuts. We have not only our range to think about but our opponents as well.Here we should be betting multi-way but checking a lot heads-up. Assuming we were multiway so the bet is fine. We never check raise this hand as naked and weak 5s will and should always fold but we can XR with just T5. 3 betting is a torch unless we spe

How do we play aa with nut flush draw here?

If opponents are folding naked 5 , we should 3bet this hand alot then .

Regarding river play , I wanted it to look like a blocking bet , from a hand like akt ss kind of hand , and hope he will shove a5 here .


I'd have bet like 80 on the flop. This 1/2p sizing just makes your range appear quite a bit stronger than if you had just bet 1/3rd, it changes everything about ours and their ranges on later streets.

I don't think you missed a lot of value. As others have said, the flop play is always to call here with everything. Also, 200bb deep, you do have to start considering that if the other guy is trying to get all the money in that he has quads. I'm wanting to let A5/K5/Q5 to bet again on the turn. Those hands may call a flop 3bet but are likely to fold if they don't fill up on the turn.

Hmmm ... I guess if we're playing maximally exploitative against players whom we don't need to protect our range, we could just 3bet hoping that's what happens, that he calls with a 5 and fills up on the turn. That could be the highest EV play in a vacuum.

After he checks back on turn, I don't expect them to bet on the river, so I'd also have just bet out, but I'd have bet out quite big expecting that given our flop bet was big, it's more likely he has something that can call than would be the case had we bet smaller. Pot is about 1250? I am okay with your idea of fake block bet to induce a raise, I just don't think it's that likely you're getting raised after they checked back the turn.


by Cardead m

AA with NFD or blocker can check or bet small on this flop, the EV is similar. If we bet and get raised we can call a XR. Jamming is nonsensical as our hand is too strong to bluff and too weak to play for stacks. We can navigate a ton of runouts and sometimes just have the best hand and want to keep our opponents bluffs in that wrap around the 5 or T with a flush draw. The reason we don’t jam AA is to keep the bluffs in and weaker FDs to get value from.

AA without a FD or FD blocker can just check call.

As far as river block bet, opponents are generally passive in these spots as they say β€œwhat can call a raise herp derp” and you heavily block value and bluffing ranges. The hand you want them to raise you with they generally more than not won’t as they don’t think they can get value from worse. Therefore you need to size up to extract max value when you bet, or check to induce a bet. The A heavily hits a flop raising range that should would do so with boats already or hands like A5 with other higher redraws like KQJ. Check to Let A5 value bet the river or to induce bluffs….or just pot to get value from their boat range.

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