The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

You mislead players, man, once again. I have already shown screen shots of my “recorded part” of distance of Stars (4 300 + tournaments recorded), where I win overall. More then that, I started to lose only after I withdrawn all the money from the account and came back from Partypoker.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

Man… We have already discussed that – there is not need to mislead players in case you are searching for the truth if the game is fair, willing to protect players from the fraud. Like I do.

The only aim to mislead players in this thread is keeping the fraud alive cause you are interested for some reasons!

Man! 3 Parts –
My god, give me enough power to handle working with this guy ))

I’m 99.9…2% sure about the statistical rigging of the game in iPoker.
The algorithm – is not a statistical proof. It’s a “verbal description of the software’s logic” which (the logic) is really complicated. And it’s normal – the software shouldn’t be “easy to read”.

The stream is coming very soon, I’m almost ready!

Look, Chabby asked me about the terms -

I gave a detailed explanation of the first tournament, because without any detailes, objectively, it's not too easy to understand the analysis.

But, we have got 11 of 12 tournaments (IN A ROW) where the variance expected distance critically (!) exceeds tournament's length

Man )) -

I haven’t played serious for 6 years, yes.
The question is –
I got a karate black belt (should I show you the certificate of Russian Karate-do federation? Lol.)
From what moment did I lose this degree?
Yes, I can coach children, even now, I can do most of stuff even now. I can get everything back in a short training period. Where did I lose my level? Especially, when we talk about intellectual work (poker)? Very strange.

In case someone knows the algorithm he will never fold AA on SnG.

Only on the final table of Sunday Million – yes, it’s a possible fold, if you do realize that your current position in Sunday Million exceeds your acceptable bankroll growth according to the room’s internal account management and you are going to lose ANY all-in which could leave you to a high prize in the tournament.

So, the only way to move up from, for example, the 8th to 5th place and to reach +10K $ - just check-folding hands or push “in the right moment” while no one got a **** (usually, it’s right after a pot where players got some premium hands, because the software deals huge hands with waves, and once players show huge hands, the following hand will be ”clean”. Otherwise players would manage to see rigging).

An example of my live-video for Gipsy Team –
The first hand is

The next hand I push from the UTG on A5s and I comment it. It a live game.

Pretty easy – you are looking at me like I say something crazy 😃

Look, it’s really good speech. Seriously. Good job. Looks like you are sure, you know me better than anyone else.
I was so busy with proving my skills - that is why I didn't even bothered to show i'm a midstacks player in the past while you were discussing my microstakes results 😃
You have discussed that 1 month here, and I only decided to post it 3 weeks after Gipsy guys shown me my tournaments on Stars.
Yes, I want to prove i'm good, but I don't show how I win 60$ 9max (18 afs) SnGs ))
Man, I don't know your skills, but hope you play better then analyze people's behavior 😉

Anyway, now it’s time show me mistakes in the proof of rigging in iPoker and we are all happy!

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...o...

Please, don't forget to explain pro players (not me!! Other pro guys) that it's normal to hit 31 flop of 47 -

According to your words i'm not a financial risk analyst, but something tells me this happens about once in 60 000 000 hands... Have you already made this distance in your life? 😀

It's also funny, that I met this "splash" right after we discuss my proof of rigging and I pointed exactly this dependency. So, i'm a beholder/LUCKER??? 😮

Or I just say, what I see in game.

I won't bet any money on anything. I'm not obligged to do it.
More then that I don't try to earn money any possible way. From what moment did it appear that I should bet money in case of discussing the situation with a scam. Man...

More than that, you still don't see - there are 3 different topics in this discussion. Statistical proof - is a statistical proof. You find mistakes - we discuss them. You don't find mistakes, we keep it "open", because I admit that you are not a professional analyst. It's possible that you don't understand all the stuff there in the report.

GOOD END = BAD START is the easiest way I can describe it FOR 2+2 MEMBERS.

Mike asked about some hypothesis to test. In stead of testing we discuss what? Betting the money on the discussion of the scam?

If you are not intersted in testing if the game in random - no need to test it, man!

For others - guys, just pay attention what happens in the start of the SnG tournament (MTT has got a bit different dynamics) right after you played a profitable all-in at the end of the previous one.

Or read my FULL detailed description of iPoker's software algorithm -
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...

Share here the results of your observations, please

1. Number of situations - "when I finished an SnG with a highly profitable situation, huge all-in/postflop take down"
2. How many times, the next SnG started badly for you? AQ vs AK on first 5 hands, Top pair vs a set flopped on a postflop, TT vs KK, etc.?

Man! Noooooo... Not after all you said in this thread )))

Your records arent exactly trustworthy. Just like you present yourself as a top1% player, your data is skewed and cherry picked. The unbiased tracked data shows you losing.

LOLOL this was your entire point and 1 sentence its gone. So what did you send to the gaming commissions? I have some statistical proof because with a verbal description of "theres something not right here" wont cut the cake.

Jfc now he is an elite karate master too. The list of imaginary expertises just doesnt end with this guy.
And do you think you have reached "black belt level" in poker? The intellectual work you've put into poker led you to years of losing at microstakes. I would say that isnt worthy of any belt.

Its not midstacks but midstakes btw, a midstakes player would know😉
Also your avg buyin for the last 10 years is traceable on ss and its below $1
You obviously have no mind proving your skills, that is why you started every thread on every site with "I am Johnmir and I am a professional level player".
The only small stakes (not mid) tournaments you shown were a handful, especially in comparison tothe 11k total

No need to dumb it down, especially if that makes the hypothesis plain wrong.
It was you words that GOOD END = BAD START
Now you disqualified your own hypothesis, so what is it then? And quantify it.
To really test something we need a rule/hypothesis to test, so give us one. If the hypothesis shows being wrong 5% of the time, its not a working hypothesis and needs work.

I have already tested one btw, I only play 1 or 2 tables on ipoker because i multi-site.
You've always said that multitabler got running waves but I keep on winning as well. Has that debunked the MORE TABLES=BETTER RUN hypothesis or does the site know i am playing other sites?? Wouldnt the site be mad that I play other sites??

Look, very short tournament, but it's good to illustrate what is going on, when you start to play "not optimal poker". The software is programmed to react to low "flop seen", and it also classify players "fish"/"average amateur"/"regular player".

I will show you all the hands, and explain the logic.

(I have got a very low flop seen and the software shows me something on the flop almost EVERY time)

(A top pair shown)

(two pair shown)

(look, I fold here and I don't see her hand, right?)

(I know I can steal here)

(and if I folded here TOO, then, when I stream my games and fold AQo "for no reason" (?) players with say - "Why did you fold the best hand???" Right?)

(the same here - if I fold - no one will ever see Cowley got 88 starter, right?)

Is it possible to prove the game is rigged without opening all the players hands?

NO IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PROVE with all the opponents hands hidden.

If I start to push every hand to open my opponents hands, will the software rig the game? No it won't rig it against my account. Because I have already lost enough chips not to withdraw money from the room, while I was pushing my "trapped hands".

Guys, it's really important to understand, that you CAN'T know if the game is rigged or not, if you don't see all the hands of your opponents. Try to understand that.

So you just believe or you do not believe that the room owner don't wanna earn more money with the commission for the game by making all the players ALMOST equal.

P.S. Once again, I folded 4 hands where I saw the flop and I would hit 3 of these flops -
low pair 32.4%
top pair 13.2%
two pair 3.4%

The chances are -

2.86% deviation chances? Once again? Cool. Nice game. Arcade for newcomers.

So, guys, look. I got AQ - I play vs TT, I got AK - I play vs 88 (what did the opponent have when I was on 66?)

I mean,
I do not play optimal, so the software recognize me as a weak player. It puts me on -10%/-5%/0 ROI - AUTOMATICALLY.
I shouldn't win according to my "level of gaming" estimation. And I won't win. The software totally controls profitability of players according to the profiles in the system.

If I start to play "normal" - I will win something. I will just win ROI that the software let me win. Not more, not less.

Do you believe a room owner won't rig the game to earn more money in case it's impossible to prove?

Nothing on the hypothesis huh, so once again:
No need to dumb it down, especially if that makes the hypothesis plain wrong.
It was you words that GOOD END = BAD START
Now you disqualified your own hypothesis, so what is it then? And quantify it.
To really test something we need a rule/hypothesis to test, so give us one. If the hypothesis shows being wrong 5% of the time, its not a working hypothesis and needs work.

I have already tested one btw, I only play 1 or 2 tables on ipoker because i multi-site.
You've always said that multitabler got running waves but I keep on winning as well. Has that debunked the MORE TABLES=BETTER RUN hypothesis or does the site know i am playing other sites?? Wouldnt the site be mad that I play other sites??

You've shown us 9 screenshots. On 3 of them we can see you connected with something on the flop. But you say "the software shows me something on the flop almost EVERY time"
3 out of 9 isnt every time Johnny.
Also, do you really consider a board of J86 hitting with 64o?? Maybe thats why you are losing so much 🙂

You started playing not optimal poker from day 1! On stars you played a 32/13/2 strat at the cash games, super fishy stats and extremely sub-optimal. So why didnt you win there? And this was 6 years ago. You've started in 2006 and 13 years later you are playing 32/13/2!!! With such a terrible strategy you must have run crazy good, still lost though

Tbf everyone recognizes you as a weak player. Even online databases recognize you as a weak player. You say you were specialized in tournaments but sharkscope also recognized you as a weak player.

A room doesnt need to mess with the cards to create pots/rake. This will happen naturally. The room that gets the most traffic will earn the most money. And you get more traffic by satisfying your customers. And rigging wont lead to a happy customer base. In fact, the only player who constantly returns to the site he accused of rigging, is you😉
And btw, if this logic holds up. Then live poker must be rigged too. Because live dealers also make more money when the pots are huge. And many dealers can manipulate cards and shuffle them the way they like it. So why doesnt a live casino tell the dealers to get more AQ

And also, why is this livestream taking so long John?
Its just telling people when you go online and then actually go online, live.
Why are you postponing it so much?
Its not like you need to "study on the algorithm" because months ago (from some post even years ago) you had the algorithm exactly figured out.
In fact, it was months ago that you send your data to the authorities, it must have been conclusive then. So why keep delaying it? We want see this Nostradamus in action.
From every action you take (so not your words) it seems like you actually have zero faith in your knowledge of the RNG as well.

Man, how do you manage to reply that fast? 😮

Every time, when I open 2+2 forum, I hope not to meet your nickname on a line "The great Poker is rigged debate"... :shocked:

Seriously, I just didn't manage to comment in time. Going to coach soon... I just played a tourney and, once again, every next tournament goes according to the same logic...

Brb later, guys

When you're right its quite easy to write down the facts
Its not like I have to make mental gymnastics with stuff like Poker rooms turn their rng rigswitch off when the certificate guys walked in the building and turn it back on when they leave (this still cracks me up that you think online poker is run this way). I dont need to cherry pick data either, I can just look at the bigger picture. You can only find small picked samples to "prove" your wacky theories, the whole data tells a different story.

Good luck coaching your rigged tennis match, does your pupil have a favored account?

"I just played a tourney and, once again, every next tournament goes according to the same logic.."
Seems like you're sure again, so ready to make a bet on this (honour or money, both is fine)? Or still scared to stand behind your words? I think I know now what you injury was, a total lack of backbone.

Also, maybe reply to comments before posting 9 screenshots, that saves a lot of time as well. Just a pro tip😉

Johnmir take notes, you never said the volume on the site affected the RNG as well. You missed a component in your 19-year study!!!

Apparently jungmit (almost sounds like johnmir🙂) wants to join your "sore losers club" with the statement that Smaller sites give advantage to weak players. Because otherwise he would be a big winner of course LOLOL

If you are really that good, then join a big site like GG. They are available to nearly anyone and on such a large site the RNG wont feel the need to defend the weaker player:p

For sure, I'm reading very carefully. This idea was recorded 😃

The problem is that iPoker is not that small, up to 10 000 players simultaneously in the evening. But they are still doing this. Same as Party, same as Pokerstars.

But I would still try to move to another site, if I was on your place. I'm not sure the situation will ever change on the one you are playing at the moment.

Man, if Any sites didn't equalize all the players between each other - there were totally different ROI for pro players. If these guys were pros, they would understand that 30% ROI - is a result of an attentive newcomer in poker.

P.S. Slugant, brb later. Sorry, hard days. Seriously. Yes, it looks like my pupils got a favored account, almost won me 2 vs 1 (me) yesterday. May be just a rigged court for me. Hard to say, I'm collecting the statistics of balls jumping height.

Ofcourse I tried to investigate hands. I asked on PT4 forum how to do this cause i dont use a hud and was told for tournaments theres no way to check ur hands on 'luck' or riggedness'

So how did you investigate and what were the numerical conclusions?

If u can help me we will find it. There s 💯 proof in my database.

What do you need help with if you already have 100% proof in your database??
You already have the conclusion so just show us that 100% proof... or are you perhaps just making stuff up?

Try to read my previous post

If anyones willing to help putting all my tournament allin hands in a hud and read the data I can pay u . Write me here pls

Lets save online poker before every major site turns into a poker casino

OK, so you're just another troll, cool. Johnmir has gone and the next idiot already in the starting blocks.

You havent even started your investigation. In fact, you dont even know how to.
Yet you already established that GG ruined poker, online poker needs to be saved (and this can be done with your db) and that this is 100% proof.

Another perfect example of the dunning-kruger effect. With some savior complex mixed in.
How come these micro losers who dont even know how to operate a tracker somehow think they have the ability to "save online poker" yet refuse to do some actual work.
That mindset if probably why you have a grudge against poker, not the RNG.

Okay instead of trying to help ur gonna start with the insults. Im not a micro loser im up 1 mil with almost 4m in tournament winnings.
I know what variance is.

Ive seen enough hands to be able to say ' its 100% rigged ' . And majority of the regs feel this way.

No they dont, you are making that up. Just like your winnings. Reincarnation of Magrailpro over here.
1m+ profit in online tournaments but dont know how to import hands lolol. And this on rigged poker. Imagine if it was fair, you would have made 10 million imaginary dollars🙂

And I am helping you in fact, im saving you trouble.
Normally a person would investigate someone to reach a conclusion.
You already have the conclusion so there is no need for the investigation.

So how much u want to bet on ur statements about my winnings ?

How are you to prove it? Since you dont even know how a tracker works.
Or is it the same method of proving that poker is rigged i.e. just making stuff up ("100% rigged and majority of regs feel this way")

Thats why im asking for help and offering to pay for it

I have been lurking here at 2+2 forums for over 15 years now. Having read so many forum posts I developed a feel when something is off. You are either a child molester or a murderer or both.

Don't try to argue over this because my gut feeling of 15 years is never wrong (your "logic" btw)

You dont seem to understand.
Why would you need help with your "investigation" if you already have made your conclusions?

Mr Slugant , to collect and present proof

Why has the investigation email been removed ?

So u can only download hands from 90 days ago. They have basicly locked up their scam

90 days is just not enough time to track my own hands!