Warning: No „forward motion“ enforced at Aria

I don't like forward motion being binding. Hasn't been in tourneys for a while I believe.

Live and learn

Please tell me you misstated what floor actually ruled. I don’t have a problem with the no forward motion part but when you say verbal means nothing, I hope you don’t mean “call” is irrelevant. Call means call and any other position would be horrendous. I agree you got it you got it has no meaning but if he had said call I bet it would be a call all day long at Aria.

No, he didn’t say call, just what I described

Something similar happened to me many years ago at Foxwoods. Guy took a big stack and started moving it forward. I said "all in" and he stopped pushing the chips and said check. Floor ruled it a check. So the lesson learned for me was always wait until a player lets go of his bet.

Funny thing is the player can say "all in" but until they release their chips I now don't do or say anything. I have seen rulings where the Floor didn't even ask other players what they heard. Or the dealer. In all-in situations moving forward I always ask how much it is. And yes people get mad when they see I have the nuts. They feel slow rolled. But it is a lot better than them getting away with pretending they never said all-in and then being able to check/fold.

What you describe is a floor saying that anything verbal is irrelevant.

That’s not what I meant, let me clarify :

Floor said, all he said in this hand („you got it, etc“😉, is irrelevant

… which is, together with the forward motion and the chips a millisecond or so before touching the felt a clear indication of what his intention was … At least imo

So, as I said, my mistake, should have waited a little longer … but still a douche move, and the floor ruling clearly not taking everything that happened into consideration

Local rule as posted clearly says released into the pot. In my room, were I a floor, I would rule it as a fold just like this floor did. I suspect it is a standard ruling at Aria.

So yes I agree a douche move but I have zero problem with the floor ruling.

They handled it correctly.

Next time wait your turn.

Question, if you're about to try a bluff and your opponent calls
before you act, are you gonna just hand over those bluffing chips?

As I’ve said already, my mistake.

Just wanted to provide some information that might be useful to people who play in places where forward motion is handled differently.

And re. Your other question: I guess there’s no real need to adress that

Fairly confident this would be the ruling in the majority of rooms. It's typically forward motion and release. Same reason why players are allowed to bring forward a full stack of chips but only drop one or two if they wish.

I get there can be angle opportunities, but forward motion being binding wouldn't prevent angles, it would just give players in OP's position the chance to do the angling. A guy could move chips half an inch and I can snap table my hand citing 'forward motion!!!' and then it's a call? I'm not really sure how that's better.

Even if it was an angle, this all could be prevented by waiting an extra half of a second. Never understood why people feel the need to fast roll.

Forward motion rule is a relic of fast-paced limit games.

Weird to find out that my region is completely out of line with the rest of the country haha But that’s good to know in case I ever play away from my home casino.

Although maybe the rules changed and I just never noticed because I’ve been burned too much by forward motion. I think the worst part about it is that in order for it to be applied correctly the dealer and the floor both have to know how it works, which creates too much grey area. If you just go by when the chips drops the “line” is very black and white.

I think you learned the proper lesson here, except that it isn't about the Aria.

Poker is a game that involves humans which means it occasionally involves random or vague actions. People read things differently, people are *******s who angle shoot. No practical difference.

While I will always push for fast play, the number one rule as a player is to protect yourself first and foremost. If an opponent makes a play that in any way could be vague a player should verify anything and everything before acting.

It is unfortunate. It really is, but that is the nature of playing a game involving human nature against other humans.

That said, the reason I wanted to highlight that this isn't an Aria issue. This is a crappy vague situation where a floor needs to make a ruling based off of second hand information and human nature. A different Aria floor might rule differently. You also might get the same or different ruling at a different property depending upon which floor is in charge and depending upon their mood.

It sucks as a player, but it is the realities of live poker. You learned your lesson, protect yourself first and foremost. We are all eager to win and collect the pot, but don't allow that eagerness to miss crucial steps in between.

All good points … that unfortunately I knew all along (been playing for more than 2 decades).

And still, in the heat of the moment I forgot or better to say got carried away.

Game was chatty/friendly/good atmosphere, and chips were flying .

When the guy said “if you got it, you got it”, and pushed his chips forward, I more thought of it as a matter of courtesy and respect towards him to right away show my hand … not in a million years expecting him to pull them back in that split second before they touched the felt.

So, even for us “Oldtimers” …. Still new things to “discover” ;-)

Nah, I've been biting my tongue because I'd be arguing against a mishmash of human memory, personal preferences, specific rooms, specific events, specific sets of circumstances, etc. with really no way to confirm or rebut.

But since I have unclenched my jaw, I will point out that folks are treating "forward motion while facing a bet" and "forward motion while making a bet" as one concept.

Even if the ruling is technically correct, villain is an angleshooting scumbag.

I think I know who the villain is. There is an Aria PLO reg who always pulls that angle and the floor should have never ruled in his favor given his history of being an angleshooting scumbag

Have you seen the floor called on this guy for that reason?

Unfortunately no. He is the master of the pump
fake and everyone is already used to it but it works on tourists

You've seen him succeed with this move on a tourist but didn't call the floor yourself? You definitely should have.

It would be very funny if Aria made an exception to their dumb rule for this specific guy when then the only players who benefit from their dumb rule are this specific type of guy. Like they would be pushing right up to the edge of realizing how dumb the rule is while still refusing to move past the line. (Hey, accidental metaphor!)