What would it take for you to switch poker sites?
Good afternoon fine, distinguished gentleman (and gentlewoman) of the TwoPlusTwo Forum.
I have worked as a growth lead of a large and respected DeFi protocol on the Ethereum blockchain for the last four years. My team and I brought in over $1b in TVL to the protocol along with thousands of active users. Prior to this, I ran a web2/web3 growth firm where I specialized in "guerilla" marketing tactics. Without diving much deeper, I specialize in putting good products in front of people's eyes.
Thankfully, I am blessed enough to have made some decent $ over the last few years and looking to parlay this into generational wealth + build in relation to something I am passionate about (Poker).
I am looking to build my own Crypto Poker website/software.
I have a decent relationship with a few owners of top crypto gambling websites and I have a strong insight on how they operate; but, it is a completely different type of operation than a poker website. These websites are largely reliant on poaching the top "VIPs" of other gambling sites and onboard them to theirs through better rakeback/better treatment. This, though effective in the crypto gambling industry, is likely not nearly as effective in poker world.
We know Poker players like consistency and even if I can offer the right incentives, I am not sure how effective offering someone better rakeback will be when trying to get them to use my site.
With that being said, I am curious to what would make you switch from a large and respected site like GGPoker or 888Poker to a smaller, less established site?
Would it be things like UI/UX or Features?
Or would it the intangibles like player count, player liquidity, skills of players on site etc.?
Or would it be very simple like better rakeback, more +EV opportunities, and more opportunities to make more money?
I really appreciate the feedback and if you would like to talk with further, shoot me a DM on here! Always looking to talk with more people in the community, especially in relation to this opportunity.
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i think its very subjetive, personally i allways want fair competition + ladderboards + more skill based structure, on my experience the competitive people that want to improve their skills to the higher ceiling wants the same, not just in poker but in every game i played, to give you some examples:
On world of warcraft the very competitive and skilled people, (pvp arena specifically speaking) allways wanted tittles from leadderboards at the end of the season, more balance to not have OP comps or classes, this driving more skill base gameplays and not braindead winners just by choosing the right comps or having the right items.
Another example could be Counter strike, the very competitive people allways want some form of tittles or recognition for the skill, a more balanced game, and leadderboards etc.
So in poker i noticed the very competitive and skilled people, wants the same.
I would say leadderboards from mtts and cash games, where you can watch what players are currently on the top and aspire to get to their skill level, also more MTTs with formats that favours skill and not fast gamble games, maybe having tourneys with no late reg and relatively large blind levels, all of this being to maximize the skill impact on the games.
From the leadderboards maybe having badges / tittles / whatever recognition at the end of the "season", having different leadderboards for microstakes up to highstakes.
And of course variety of Mtts also for the people that only want to gamble and fast play some games.
the only room i see this kind of aproach is Coinpoker, recently they made a cash competition with the best players and no rake i think, prioritizing skill and pure poker, they uploaded the best hands played commentated by the same competitors and i think it was great.
On rake of course finding a balance between site profits and players, but in my opinion a room that prioritazes actually the game of poker and recognize and awards skilled players will be attractive to alot of people
Edit: Also some transparency with the RNG, showing to the players if possible the process with the audit company will be amazing, or some sort of way to actually show the way it works.
On huds i will say ggpoker does this well, a simple hud showing basic stats and not allowing external programs to gain unffair advantaje
Lower rake, non-NLHE games running, ease of depositing with real money
I used to play on PKR poker. Loved it! Anyone who played there will tell you how much they loved it. It had real money and play money tables. The software dealt hands that were relational to real life odds. They had live events, freerolls, etc. The big thing that everyone loved was that it was in 3D. You can look up clips online still if you need reference. It was not just poker it was a social experience as well. The site made additional money from customers “ shopping” for clothes and accessories for their avatars they custom designed. They made money from buying someone a 3D drink or food item at the table. The avatars stood up when they went all in or danced when they won if they wanted to. There were different camera angles to see the cards or the table. It was very interactive and those of us who played there longed for a new 3D site to return.
Taking collusion, bots and RTA seriously would be a start, reasonable rake structure and one that does not offer 3hrs ****ing late reg. Good selection of SnGs, chat available at tables, reasonable cashout times and ffs someone real working behind that god damn customer service system who knows the difference between their head and arse.
And ofc the odd freebie don't hurt either.
I'm a bad player so when I go broke on one poker site I switch to another to take advantage of first deposit bonus again
The way I see it, online poker has at least two major problems (and some minor ones):
- Rake is too high
- RTA/bots
A minor one is that the larger sites pool people from high-income and low-income countries together, which largely leads to high-income country fish transferring money to low-income country pros or bots. This tends to mean poker is mostly a viable hobby or source of income if you live in a low-income country.
I don't know enough about the scene to suggest good solutions to these issues. I mainly have questions:
- Why is the rake still so high? Are the costs of running a site so high?
- Why not charge rake based on e.g. monthly winnings instead of every pot?
- Why hasn't there been an outside-the-box solution to the RTA/bot issue? Such as recording your sessions with a camera pointed at your monitor/desktop (which can then be sent to the site authorities to verify you are not a bot). Of course would not require this from recreationals, but only from winning players who multi-table.
Genuinely interested in answers to these questions.
Vast amount of mixed games etc badugi, omaha, 2-7, 8 game etc etc
Any chance of a site with PINEAPPLE on it??
I would consider switching sites if the game conditions were better and the platform ran more smoothly, but for now, everything works fine.
Trust is my biggest thing, and right now I just don't trust most sites enough to move my action. I'd have to see faster cashouts, better rake deals, and maybe some more transparency with random number generators. I’m already checking out some casinos not on Gamestop because they seem to have less red tape and let me play without all the annoying limits.