100$ live
b]Live tournament 100$ (205 BB Effective)[/b]
Preflop:
UTG+1 and LJ limp
CO raises to 3.75 BB
Hero is in the BB with K♣ Q♦, raises to 25 BB
LJ calls, everyone else folds (heads-up)
Flop: (≈57 BB) K♠ 8♠ 4♠
Hero checks, LJ bets 45 BB, Hero calls
Turn: (≈147 BB) 3♣
Hero checks, LJ bets 75 BB, Hero calls
River: (≈297 BB) 9♠
Hero checks, LJ checks
Showdown:
LJ shows K♦ Q♠ (top pair turned into flush)
Hero shows K♣ Q♦ (top pair), LJ wins
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i think if i raise preflop to a smaller size the situation is likely to go 4way to a flop while i dont expect to get 5b bluff.
i think his range when he bet is ak without a spade, kq, qjs, 76s, jts
it makes sense to me to call down to showdown or fold the flop, not sure.
9 clear value against my hand qj,76,jt of spade and ak with no spade, 9 potential bluffs qjs,76s,jts, 2 combos he freeroll with kq with a spade.
maybe i could've shoved the river, i asked if he fold if i shove he said no way, i doubt if ak folds low stakes start of tournament to a small shove, and i wanted to induce qjs,76s,jts to shove.
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if i dont shove and call a shove, because he didnt shove kq with a spade, i dont expect him to shove other flush, so only shove 9 bluffs
EV=BLUFFS*WHOLE_STACK+SPLIT*POT=9/24*400+150*4/24=150+25=175BB
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if i shove i expect him to call half of the time ak:
EV=AK_FOLD*POT+AK_CALL*MONEY_LOST-FLUSH*MONEY_LOST+KQ_NO_FLUSH*POT+AUTO_GIVEUPS*POT=
=3/24*300-3/24*50-5/24*50+4/24*300+9/24*300=37.5-6.25-10.416+50+112.5=183.334BB
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so it's seems like i should've shoved, or maybe fold the flop.
6 Replies
Your villain does not shove second nut flush for 80bb into 300bb pot after been checked to on the river. Are you sure he knows his hand rankings/combinations?
On your end:
1) Too large on the 3-bet preflop
2) Turn is an all-in or fold decision after LJ's bet given these stack sizes
Pre-flop if I would raise it would be 15bb's. But I wouldn't raise in this spot I would just call. For two reasons really. The first is that the original limper can have AA which we don't block. And the second is that people who raise over limpers (unless they are GTO/Solvers) typically have stronger ranges than when they raise first in preflop. Now here CO guy folded so I guess he didn't have AQ+/JJ+...
On the flop I probably bet about 15 or 20 bb's. If Villain has no spade or K he will likely fold and we will find that out. As played we have to call a very large flop bet when we could be drawing dead. My guess is Villain would call and again I would lead out the turn for about 25% pot to see what happens.
On the turn the bet size is over 50% effective stack so we are going to have to call a river shove if we call the turn bet. I likely fold mostly unless I know Villain overbluffs.
Your villain does not shove second nut flush for 80bb into 300bb pot after been checked to on the river. Are you sure he knows his hand rankings/combinations?
On your end:
1) Too large on the 3-bet preflop
2) Turn is an all-in or fold decision after LJ's bet given these stack sizes
1) he said he thought after i call twice that i got to have ace of spade
2) i never use this large preflop raise online, im new to live, i started to use it after watching yolan cohen videos, and it does makes sense because people do not reraise bluff, and they dont fold against smaller sizes, but im not sure.
3) honestly i dont see the point in shoving the turn, he is just going to call ak everytime because he's going to put me on ax with ace of spade, and fold his bluffs+call flush.
Pre-flop if I would raise it would be 15bb's. But I wouldn't raise in this spot I would just call. For two reasons really. The first is that the original limper can have AA which we don't block. And the second is that people who raise over limpers (unless they are GTO/Solvers) typically have stronger ranges than when they raise first in preflop. Now here CO guy folded so I
1) i get what you say about raiser range stronger you are right, in game i was thinking he would've used bigger size with stronger hand but might be a mistake.
2) do we want him to fold no spade or k?
i get what you saying if i plan to fold anyways, it might be better to try to steal, im curious if it is a better approch then to check and decide based on his bet size, because i do have a king so i beat no spade or no king.
3) yeah i was plan to call the river shove
The big raise OOP is something I see some pros do when they're super deep, and it makes sense in the sense of cutting down the SPR. I'd be leading the flop small, though, not checking top pair. And I mean small, like 10-15%. As it ran out, I'd probably size up bigger than that on the turn to discourage one-spade hands.
And that's if I raise huge here from the BB, which I'm not crazy about this early in a live $100. But at those stakes I feel like I'd have a significant edge, so I'm not looking to play massively inflated pots until I have the goods.
(Also a heads up, the cards/suits in this format are not visible with a dark theme.)
The big raise OOP is something I see some pros do when they're super deep, and it makes sense in the sense of cutting down the SPR. I'd be leading the flop small, though, not checking top pair. And I mean small, like 10-15%. As it ran out, I'd probably size up bigger than that on the turn to discourage one-spade hands.And that's if I raise huge here from the BB, which I'm not c
i like your approch, i also saw people sometimes limp trap hands like ak so probably just call preflop and maneuver postflop instead with a hand that dominant a lot of their combinations is better, and if i get to this situation postflop instead of check and start thinking about amount of bluffs for him, just 10% to get some chips from underpairs+easy fold if he continue to put a lot of chips in the pot
