Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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More attacks on Iran. Looks earlier may only have been the first stage
Israel announced last night the campaign would involved several waves over a period of days. The real question at this point is whether Israel has the firepower to actually destroy Iran's deep underground nuclear facilities. And if they dont will the US finish the job?
They have been promising to destroy Israel for 45 years. Khamenei's rhetoric today isn't any different than it was 1 week ago, or 20 years ago. The only difference is there is expectation for the IRGC to do something in the short term in response to Israel's actions.
I get all of that but they are kind of reaching an inflection point here. With how things have evolved to this point, they may not have the luxury to continue to use proxies or talk **** behind a wall. They may very well have to fight themselves to stay relevant.
saying this with a straight face after watching Israel almost exclusively target civilians across 7 countries the last 2 years and in particular the day after leveling city blocks to hit civilian scientists is pretty incredible.
Not even Hamas claims this, since they put the numbers around 30% for amount of militants killed. Pretty decent for an urban war where the other side uses human shields, and this is just accepting the Hamas-run government at their word.
no, its a matter of perspective. you think its good to slaughter, torture, imprison, starve, rape, enslave, etc the people that White Supremacists deem as lesser. I dont.
You think it’s good when genocidal muslim extremists say death to all jews and kidnap 100 people to try to **** with israel with absolutely no strategic goal, and think Israel is wrong for responding to that attempted genocide, and I don’t.
As if the majority of the years since the creation of Israel state wasnt supported by the rest of the world ….Yeah, a state acting like the last few years by Israel will never have much support isn’t a surprise .I mean do u have an example of another country acting like Israel the last 2 years that have support by the rest of the world ? How strange but hey, nah it’s because th
Show me an example of a country the size of New Jersey that is surrounded by enemies. There is a reason Israel acts the way they do. Go get a history lesson before commenting on what you see or what you are how you are being told to react.
if jewish 17 year old festival goers and 89 year old kibbutzers are combatants and therefore fair game, then iranian nuclear scientists are double combatants
bunch of missiles incoming
I get all of that but they are kind of reaching an inflection point here. With how things have evolved to this point, they may not have the luxury to continue to use proxies or talk **** behind a wall. They may very well have to fight themselves to stay relevant.
This was Iran directly attacking Israel a few months ago. By all accounts they tried to do something similar last night, but Mossad anticipated them and destroyed the first wave before it got off. Expectations are they will re-organize and be able to seriously attack Israel in the near future.
Keep in mind Iran is thousands of miles from Israel and doesn't have an Air Force of any account or any control of the skies. The Houthis control the skies of Yemen better than Iran does the skies of Iran or the airspace between Israel and Iran. Given all this, there are limits to there ability to directly attack Israel.
if jewish 17 year old festival goers and 89 year old kibbutzers are combatants and therefore fair game, then iranian nuclear scientists are double combatants
bunch of missiles incoming
Don’t agree with the premise but I can’t help but point out that if Iran had been holding Israel in a headlock for decades then you might have a point.
But as always, you don’t.
maybe Iran has some fight left in them. 2 planes shot down and videos of hits on Tel Aviv.
I am not Jewish, but I know a fair number of Jewish people. The starting point for almost all of them on Israel is (i) they want Israel to be accepted as a member of the world community (i.e., to not be a pariah state); and (ii) they want Israel to be reasonably secure. Beyond that starting point, their views are all over the place. Some are Bibi-style hard liners. Others a
There is no inherent conflict for Trump not to back Israel. While the democrats do get a lot of the Jewish vote they also get a lot of the Palestinian vote which is why they are always hamstrung in supporting Israel's objectives of defending itself to exist.
I don't see from a purely Cheney perspective that since the Democrats now support that with having Dick Cheney and Liz Cheney's support last election that they would have any issues with Israel eliminating the nuclear threat from Iran if the sources are right that they were that close to building their first nuclear bombs.
Iran can't have any nuclear weapons and this is on them being so stupid to begin with by undertaking this program as it was always going to be met with this sort of attack and Israel is not just some small country with limited defense capability. They are in nearly all practical senses America's 51st state and only under Trump do they get that status fully recognised.
There is no inherent conflict for Trump not to back Israel. While the democrats do get a lot of the Jewish vote they also get a lot of the Palestinian vote which is why they are always hamstrung in supporting Israel's objectives of defending itself to exist. I don't see from a purely Cheney perspective that since the Democrats now support that with having Dick Cheney and Liz Ch
the Dems positioned themselves as the war hawks during the election. they attacked Trump for being soft on Iran. also it was leaked a few weeks ago that the Dems planned a long war with Yemen.
theres really no indication that theres any difference between Trump or any Democrat on supporting Israel's mass slaughter of children. even Bernie or AOC support it.
maybe Iran has some fight left in them. 2 planes shot down and videos of hits on Tel Aviv.
Of course. Israel does not have the ability to "defeat" Iran. The best they can hope for is dismantling the nuclear program, and hoping a more peaceful regime takes over at some point in the near future.
Also this attack is on Hezbollah being so stupid to also attack Israel right after 7 October and turned Israel's attention on them and in turn Iran who fund them. Did they really think they had any prospects of succeeding or making any real impact and Israel wouldn't retaliate to the point of wanting to destroy them? If they weren't as much of an idiot they could have just let Israel deal with Hamas and under instruction from Iran kept a lid on any hostility knowing this nuclear arsenal was just around the corner. Chances are Israel were going to attack anyway with their intelligence but that small chance of success was completely undermined by Hezbollah.
There have been a whole lot of stupid decisions being made in the middle east the last couple of years that has resulted in a lot of unnecessary death.
If only Hamas who couldn't believe their luck when they broke the line on 7 October were like let's retreat this will not be worth it to upset a hornet's nest but nope just went straight ahead with it.
U.S. President Donald Trump warned Tehran to “make a deal” before it’s “too late” as Israel shuttered embassies and consulates worldwide following its bombardment of Iran.
The Thursday night attack targeted nuclear facilities, regime officials, military leaders, and key atomic scientists. Tehran retaliated with more than 100 drones, according to an Israeli military spokesperson.
“There has already been great death and destruction, but there is still time to make this slaughter, with the next already planned attacks being even more brutal, come to an end,” Trump wrote in the early hours of Friday morning. “Iran must make a deal, before there is nothing left.”
By early afternoon on Friday, Israel’s foreign ministry said that “Israeli missions around the world will be closed and consular services will not be provided.” The ministry also issued guidance to Israelis not to display Jewish symbols in public or share their location on social media.
The strikes have triggered fears that the Middle East risks descending into another catastrophic regional war.
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Iran is falling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0I55_UM...
The Huthis lawnched a missile and it hit the West Bank injuring 4. Idiots.
Is much is i hate Iran's leadership, Bibi and Co are some straight sadistic mother****ers. It clearly a war between two **** stains that put millions at risk.
The Supreme Leader has fled Tehran.
Many leaders who are still alive are fleeing the country.
Several ballistic missiles have hit Israel. This will not just be a delay of the Iranian Nuclear program it's the end. This is also the end of the Iranian regime. This means the end of Hamas and Hezbollah since they will have no more funding or help.
