AA93
4 Bet pot and SPR less than 1.
Flop 8s10sKh, Villain checks. What to do with a hand AcAx9c3x (1 heart, no spades)?
K108 is almost the same as J109, isn´t it?
Do we have to check an fold (unless the board pairs with 8/10 or a random brick like 5 lands on the board) or what is the right play here?
And if the right play is to fold here, then are there any Villains whose stats do not allow us to fold?
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At this spr you are going to be shoving almost every flop, especially those without a straight or flush available.
The 4b caller has a massive leading range on this board. It’s prolly 70-90% of his range he should be jamming.
When he doesn’t, you should be jamming the same amount 70-90%
That said, some players dont realize they do have a leading range and instead, check range. So then your jamming range should go down a bit to account for the opponent having no leads.
Your hand is a jam. You only check the hands with no flush board interaction.
This is all you gave us about the preflop play. If you can write down the details, then maybe someone will see something you didn't see.
Without details it is not possible to put your opponent on a range from their position. Without stack sizes and knowing if anyone cold-called the 2bet or 3bet and then folded to the 3bet or 4bet, it isn't possible to know what SPR you have here other than you saying, 'SPR less than 1." One of the questions you asked is if it is a fold. Well with an SPR less than 1 you could simplify things for yourself a bit and say it is a pot odds question. For example...
SPR 1.00 you break even if you have 33% equity
SPR 0.75 you break even if you have 30% equity
SPR 0.50 you break even if you have 25% equity
Saying, "SPR less than 1" isn't enough information. The SPR can go so low that you almost can't fold if you hit any part of the flop or have the ultimate overpair.
Yep, you are absolutely right blue.feet ... Positions and stack sizes matter a great deal and I should be more detailed in my future descriptions.
Hero HJ, Villain BB, 120 BB deep effectively.
LJ limps, Hero (HJ) opened with 4 BB, BB 3-bet pot to 13,5 BB. Hero 4-bet it to 42 BB.
LJ folded, BB called.
(Pot 85) Flop 8s10sKh, Villain checks.
Hero (78 BB) ?
I decided to jam too (SPR less than 1 and three cards AA9 at least block some straight draws was the thought in my mind), but the Villain snap called me with KxKs10x7s and seeing my equity less than 10% made me question my decision.
Flop 8s10sKh
Minor thing first, the common way of posting or even using an equity calculator is to write "10" as "T" so that every character is a single character.
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You wrote you had 10% equity, but that was after the fact to this specific hand. Flip it around before the flop and you were about a 65% - 35% favorite.
Player pools play different, but I see something interesting now that you wrote the details of action. Okay first let me state that LJ limped, you raised and BB would not be closing the action with a call. However, even with or without the BB closing the action with a call, in the games I play, almost no one in the big blind 3 bets without AAxx or KKxx. In my pool, people massively under 3bet in the big blind, especially when they can just close the action with a call instead, but even when they are not closing the action. The exceptions to this is when the button open raises, the small blind cold calls, then and only then are the people in my player pool happy about have a proper 3 betting range from the BB or heads up sb versus BB. In my player pool I would be loving life when, #1 the BB 3bets meaning he has AAxx or KKxx and #2 I would be loving life even more when the BB calls my 4bet instead of him 5betting because the 5 bet would indicate AAxx and the call of my 4bet would indicate KKxx. Now the flop producing a K is horrible for me since I expect my opponent to have KKxx, but I'm not saying the people in your player pool only have KKxx here.
Long term if he’s calling 1/3 of stacks with KK it’s going to be profitable for you as he will have to fold way too many flops.
Yep, you are absolutely right blue.feet ... Positions and stack sizes matter a great deal and I should be more detailed in my future descriptions. Hero HJ, Villain BB, 120 BB deep effectively. LJ limps, Hero (HJ) opened with 4 BB, BB 3-bet pot to 13,5 BB. Hero 4-bet it to 42 BB.LJ folded, BB called. (Pot 85) Flop 8s10sKh, Villain checks. Hero (78 BB) ? I decided to jam too (SPR
When heads up in position preflop, I 4bet less than half of my AA combos at this stack depth. I would not have 4bet this one but I can see arguments for it as the side cards are trashy. But still, single suited I'd take it to the flop at spr ~4 and use position and playability of the nut suit.
Long term if he’s calling 1/3 of stacks with KK it’s going to be profitable for you as he will have to fold way too many flops.
I think this is probably the wrong way to think about it - yes, for that exact slice of hands, the KK needs to come with quite co-ordinated side cards, but we're neither targeting that part of his range with our 4b pre and we need to consider the fact that KK** is just one of many types of hands he gets to this spot with.
"I think this is probably the wrong way to think about it - yes, for that exact slice of hands, the KK needs to come with quite co-ordinated side cards, but we're neither targeting that part of his range with our 4b pre and we need to consider the fact that KK** is just one of many types of hands he gets to this spot with."
Yes, I agree totally. In my opinion we should not be afraid of a certain hands and see the situation holistically. In my eyes only thing that matters is the structure of the flop and SPR. That is why I asked whether we can compare KT8 flop to JT9 flop at the beginning of the thread?
What I am trying to ask is on which flops we do not stack off with AAxx against 1 player (SPR 1)?
JT9 must be one of them? Other candidates would be monotone flops I reckon?
