Moderation Questions

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How could property be life? For one thing, life is... alive.

This must be some realllll hardcore libertarian semantic ****ery. Maybe one day you cranks will just admit that you're far more worried about corporations' ability to reap profits freely than the fate of, and the material conditions enjoyed by, breathing, feeling, living human beings.

maybe just stick to "taxation is theft"?

I mean, that's pretty dumb, but it's at least understandable and arguable.

Property is life even for you guys.

If I destroy a cargo of aid directed to refugees, that kills people right?

If I destroy an hospital infrastructure, that kills people.

Now try to generalize it to the fact that real wealth always correlates positively with healthcare outcome and pronto!

Everything that impacts wealth and income negatively kills people and viceversa.

Property is, indeed, life.

It's wonderful (in your own personal little world) when words mean whatever you want them to mean.

Lucium views human beings merely as assets to be liquidated, so no surprises here

Remember when misnaming you was so triggering to your terrible cooking incel ass it would get someone banned?

I’m so glad we’ve moved past that nonsense

hmmm

So, economic austerity programs are anti-life, then? OK. Presumably it's anti-life when Jeff Bezos exploits various corporate tricks to reduce the effective salary of his workers. Or is his property portfolio so voluminous that that overwhelming quantity of life-purchasing-power is full compensation for the combined decrease of the life-purchasing-power of all of his workers (what do we call those who can't afford property? Low-lifes?)

I hope that one day I can have 1/1000th as much life as Jeff Bezos!

Man, words mean things; there's a reason nobody has addressed this argument more seriously than I have and it's not that they're too intellectually scared to confront it.

I think we can acknowledge that Luciom’s takes go way too far while also understanding there are situations where protecting your property is worth someone else’s life. If someone was going to burn down my house and the only way to stop it is to kill him, I think I’m morally justified in doing that, and a society based on that principle isn’t going to value human life less.

Ultimately even the anarcho-communists would be forced to reckon with this if they abolished the state, as suddenly defending the collective property becomes a matter of life and death.

kids in grades 1-5 in seattle were recently given transgender black lives matter coloring books

Tell me why I should be outraged

Tell me why you wouldn't be outraged.

It’s ok mongidig, we can arrange for some colouring books to be sent to you too.

Programs that do decrease GDP are anti life yes, which is why actual communism is a genocidal platform, and which is why economic growth in general (*per Capita*) is the most important part of politics, more important than everything else combined.

State level austerity sometimes is necessary because otherwise you implode causing even more damage, so short term pain isn't necessarily anti life if it puts you on a higher prosperity path for the longer term.

Bezos, by growing real per Capita GDP, saved more lives than most other people ever did, not aure why you dunk on him.

Both BLM and trans issues are politically controversial topics and kids should not be exposed to politically controversial topics by the public school system.

Kids in all corners of the world are being given coloring books that depict a genocidal desert god destroying the entire world’s population because they were too sinful. Can you report on that too?

https://a.co/d/6zbxEsz

by public schools?

on the surface there's nothing wrong with it

but this is the very exact kind of grooming that the left insists doesn't exist and everyone else is making up

coordi, the main thing here is this isn't education, this is cultural programming

even though it's stuff in which i think we can all agree is not something anyone would have issues with unless they were a terrible person - you can make identical arguments for advocating teaching giving out the ten commandments coloring books to children - the teachings of things like thou shalt not steal are good lessons for kids - only a complete hateful bigot would be against that right?

it's cultural programming and not education - same reason we don't teach christianity in our public schools is the same reason why this shouldn't be allowed either

So you would be fine with BLM trans coloring books it’s the public school part you object to?

yes, if you read the post after this one you quoted you'll see that laid out clearly

i would have an even larger problem with this if that coloring book you suggested were being handed out to children in seattle public schools instead

I guess if you view teaching tolerance for black people as cultural grooming akin to religious nuttery then it would certainly be concerning

If your concern is tolerance for trans people then I guess that would be concerning too

I don't really agree with your framing though. It just sounds like you don't like either black people or trans people

To put it another way, the US is a mixed society. Saying "tolerate black people" is beneficial to a mixed society.

Saying "practice Christianity" isn't beneficial to a mixed society that includes jews, muslims, hindus, satanists and etc.

Comparing the two is objectively nonsense unless you just want a white christian ethnostate

this is absolutely untrue, nowhere have i ever said anything of the sort

like i said, you can say "oh so you're pro murder and stealing" if someone didn't want the ten commandments taught in school and it'd be an equally unfair attack like the one you just made to me that not wanting that in schools is akin to disliking blacks and trans

it's a cheap argument that is unfounded - there's a whole myriad of reasons to rightfully be against the ten commandments taught in school and it's entirely cultural based on not anything to do with the commandments themselves

as you are fully aware, it's the manner in which those coloring books are packaged, with an express purpose in mind which is the problem

and i hope one day you can see you're no different from the religious zealots you regularly spar with, you just follow a different religion - they see no issue with their religion being imposed on others and think all dissent is rooted in the devil, just as you do

and fwiw i'm 10x more opposed to the 10 commandments being taught in school than this coloring book, it's just these days there's no need to fight that battle against the 10 commandments because that battle's been fought already and my side won

if only this is what was actually what was happening i'd be onboard - this is already deeply baked into our education and i agree with that strongly for the reasons you already pointed out

that is not what the coloring book is at all and you know this because you're not an idiot, it's just low hanging fruit to opt to paint it this way for easy attacks against any dissent

If that religion is uncontroversially supermajoritarian in a country it would make sense.

If it isn't then it wouldn't.

My kids in Italia public schools didn't get any religious or leftist propaganda as coloring books.

We got a bit of leftist propaganda in school books later on (elementary school) when "the environment" was covered, including false claims about recycling.

But tbh I think people actually believe in recycling, they don't know plastic recycling is a scam because they think it works like for glass and paper where it is not a scam.