T9s turns it but gets minclick of death

T9s turns it but gets minclick of death

1/3 NLHE 9 handed

Game is semi-okay gambly vibe on a Saturday night. Very loose passive.

V - Unknown fish. Sat down awhile back, white guy, looks shabby. Has been limping a lot, VPIP very high and just clicking buttons a bit. Made an insanely stupid bluff in a double board bomb pot with Q2o on A-J-9fd and 3-3-2r where he took it for bet, bet, all in and ended up chopping with an A when a few better hands folded, I folded flop with 99. 580$ eff. SB.

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H opens 10 UTG with T 9, folds to V in SB who calls, BB folds. HU IP.

Flop 20 - J J 7

V donks 20, H calls

I called because I had been watching a hungry horse video where he talked about how weak donk ranges are and how we want to call with our value (so that they own themselves) and call with our air to bluff and/or hit on later streets against a weak range.

Turn 60 - 8

V checks, H bets 75, V clicks to 150.... V has 400 and change back.

22 June 2025 at 08:07 AM
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I'm not sure if I like the float a pot sized bet on flop. I might click it to 50 or just fold.
Weak donk ranges are when they donk small, He's donking pot.

Ok, turn you already overbet, and he check min/raise. This looks really nutted.
Question is does he overvalue Jx.
What hands that beat you take this line? 77??? J8??? J7???? 88????
I might shove or fold depending on my reads on this guy. We beat Jx, we lose to boats.
We also beat random air, I guess he has air range as well since you said he's aggro on bomb pot. So maybe click call and see if he bluffs his whole stack on river.

If your read is good, this might be a random bluff, yes he potted flop then check/raise turn with a bluff, some Jx, and maybe very very few boats.
So, probably just call is best.

Against a more passive opponent, and one that doesn't overvalue hands, it's an easy fold.
But against this guy, just call and call down.


I would fold the flop, and wouldn't overbet a straight on a paired board.


Raising T9s from UTG is pretty spewy. And calling a pot-size flop bet with T-high, a gutterball and a backdoor draw on a paired board just seems like a -EV play.


Playing suited connectors is only profitable as a late position opener. You risk being multiway & OOP opening UTG. Somehow, you avoided both of those & ended up heads up in position.

I like Marc and as played, I like the flop call. Now, I can’t worry about monsters under the bed. Villain knows a check-raise is a strong move, but it doesn’t mean he has you beat.

The question is do you call and see what he does next, or raise and apply pressure. You describe him playing a wide range so it’s likely he doesn’t have a five card hand like you do.

I think you’re ok as long as you don’t fold. You got lucky here. No reason to think villain got luckier

Either way, this hand should have been folded pre


fold pre, jam turn hes not folding Jx and if he has a boat theres nothing you can do.


by Stupidbanana

in a double board bomb pot on A-J-9fd and 3-3-2r, I folded flop with 99

Wtf? You really folded bottom set and an overpair?

As to this hand it's kind of marginal at every point.

vs. most people you probably fold turn but likely you can't fold vs. this guy (assuming reads good) so shove and hope or call and hope.

Your slight overbet on turn also feels weird, it's not like you are supposed to have T9 here so you are kind of repping J8/88 FHes or JT/J9.

by Stupidbanana

I called because I had been watching a hungry horse video where he talked about how weak donk ranges are and how we want to call with our value (so that they own themselves) and call with our air to bluff and/or hit on later streets against a weak range.

Again, HHP says "low stakes" a lot but I never see any experience below 2-5 and his 2-5 game for the challenge was pretty damn big (saying that I'd assume he has a lot of students at more normal 2-5 games).

Also not obvious to me that the guy who did the Q2 3 barrel is the guy you want to bluff off of something here. Saying that I don't hate the flop call, mainly for value, at least sometimes.


by illiterat

Wtf? You really folded bottom set and an overpair?

Okay, I wasn't the only person that thought this.

Flop donk, to me, is more likely a 7 or a middling pocket pair than a J, so I don't mind a float with 10-13 outs against such a big part of his range, especially because it's unlikely to continue on the turn and you get to see the river for free.

Turn c/r shifts his range to more trips, but now you crush trips. Unless he donkbetted a goddamn full house (unlikely), or has specifically 88 or J8 (also unlikely), you're clobbering him. Reraise now to commit him before a bad river comes.


Also, T9 is a candidate hand, especially in hearts.


by illiterat

Wtf? You really folded bottom set and an overpair?As to this hand it's kind of marginal at every point.vs. most people you probably fold turn but likely you can't fold vs. this guy (assuming reads good) so shove and hope or call and hope.Your slight overbet on turn also feels weird, it's not like you are supposed to have T9 here so you are kind of repping J8/88 FHes or JT/J9.Ag

Sorry the board was like AJ8 and 3-3-2 and I folded 99 so no set


Preflop is OK. There are advantages in having an ep range that isn't all high cards and pps.


One thing I'm finding, that I think this hand is an example of, (maybe the 2/5 and 5/10 players can back me up), is I'm taking a more nuanced approach as I try to learn and at my 1/3 game its actually costing me EV as the people are really really REALLY just playing face up post and so I'm leveling myself.

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I think about jamming turn but then think all his trash Jacks fold, maybe even JT, I figure calling SB for 10 he has as wide as J2s+ J7o+ so I just call turn, River is 4 BDFD and he bets 125 into 360 and I decide it can be AJ or KJ enough and I can fold my JX here (or on turn) so I call and get shown 88.

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