1/2, $1.9k deep : King high flush facing a $475 turn xr
Hand 1: (first hand at table)
$500 eff, 1/2/5/10/20, Hero $60 EP QQ, folds to 20 blind who puts me all in, snap. Scoop vs AK.
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Hand 2: (third hand at table)
$1kish eff, 1/2, Hero $20 UTG KK, V (rec Indian) with $3k stack on BTN 3! $60, BB calls, Hero 4! $250, V calls, BB folds
Flop ($560): AA7r
x/x
Turn ($560): Ax
Hero $200, V calls
River ($960): Jx
Hero shoves $550, V sigh calls
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A few more pots and we’re up to $2.5k when this hand happens..
$1.9k eff, V (same Indian who’s playing several hands like a splashy aggro fish) opens $15 in HJ, CO calls, Hero calls K9ss BTN, BB calls
Flop ($60): Ad5s3s
V cbets $50, CO calls, Hero calls, BB folds
Turn ($210): 6s
V x, CO bets $75, Hero calls, V makes it $475, CO puts in his last $250ish, Hero just calls knowing he never has an A hi flush with that XR sizing and also not many sets when he does this..
River ($1410): 5x
V bets $600, Hero ?
12 Replies
Can’t really fold or raise.
Meh...the PF call feels like winners' tilt. I'm folding this, but if you want to play it you should 3-bet, especially with the big hands you've already shown and the CO trapped in between.
Meh...the PF call feels like winners' tilt. I'm folding this, but if you want to play it you should 3-bet, especially with the big hands you've already shown and the CO trapped in between.
You’re folding this on BTN against a whale opening any garbage 2k deep? Also, why 3b when we have no fold equity?
Meh...the PF call feels like winners' tilt. I'm folding this, but if you want to play it you should 3-bet, especially with the big hands you've already shown and the CO trapped in between.
You’re folding this on BTN against a whale opening any garbage 2k deep? Also, why 3b when we have no fold equity?
So we should call with better smelling garbage because he raises with garbage, but we shouldn't 3-bet because he'll call us with his garbage???
It sounds like your preflop plan is simply, "Let's hope we're not dominated and we can outflop/outdraw him."
$1.9k eff, V (same Indian who’s playing several hands like a splashy aggro fish) opens $15 in HJ, CO calls, Hero calls K9ss BTN, BB calls Flop ($60): Ad5s3sV cbets $50, CO calls, Hero calls, BB foldsTurn ($210): 6sV x, CO bets $75, Hero calls, V makes it $475, CO puts in his last $250ish, Hero just calls knowing he never has an A hi flush with that XR sizing and also not
Correct me if I have the numbers wrong, but I feel like the format of the HH is missing the fact that we have a side pot, and that is pretty significant.
On the turn, pot is $210 and players are in for $65 ($1,835 back versus V). Now, three of you are in for $250? ("ish") more and V made it $225 over that.
So on the river, there is a $960 main pot plus $450 side pot, which V is now overbetting (with $1,360 back to start).
Not sure I could do it at the table, but I definitely consider that finding a fold might be correct here. The analysis has focused heavily on Villain and ignored that CO passively came along and then bet out on the flushing turn (more or less committing to stack off). I'm not sure I see why either one can't have Ax ss here (you can't x/r less than pot with the effective nuts?), but it seems like a stretch that nobody has the nut flush and nobody made a boat. Sure, maybe CO has a Q-high flush and main V is FOS, but...
King-high flushes are already a big red flag for losing as the second nuts just because everyone plays and draws Ax suited, but once the board pairs... I'm probably letting the fact that this HH turned into a thread influence my thoughts here but it's a stretch to imagine we're good against both here, in which case the side pot is still pretty small. Even without the board pairing, I think I would be in calldown mode.
If we can't fold, then sigh-call.
Turn ($210): 6s
V x, CO bets $75, Hero calls, V makes it $475, CO puts in his last $250ish, Hero just calls knowing he never has an A hi flush with that XR sizing and also not many sets when he does this..
Hmmm if you do know he never has a better flush here. Just ship it and get the money good here.
You have under repped your hand then here if you trust your reads it's easy money. Villain is never folding anything when check raises this big.
Tbh I probably put in a raise myself initially vs 75 and not just flat call.
After you suckered the 'fish' in with a raise, what better spot do you want to get the money in?
K9s is an OK hand, and seems like a good call on the button versus a whale raising most hands.
2nd nut flush may be good, but I wouldn't be happy with stacking off with it for 950xBB.
I'd call river as played. Villain looks like he is trying to set the price of a weaker hand, but may correctly fold worse to a jam anyway so raise is a bit thin. Blocking AK combos also makes raise less attractive.
Ripping the turn might be better.
How he is splashy is way more important than his race. Does he open from cutoff suited aces and pocket pairs to sizes like 15 way more exclusively than lower suited connectors and other hands? Unlikely but pay attention to his bet sizings. How has he played nuts hands on the turn is another good question. Would he only CR the nuts and instead continue again with lower flushes? I think he has a smaller flush in his range more times than the nuts given how small of a bet $75 is by CO relative to pot, 1/3 and that you just called making a small flush want to CR, but you should get up from table if you can’t call turn and river here and lose your whole stack sometimes as played. He shouldn’t have sets/two pair on turn just a range of flushes on river, you have the sets so when he bets again it might be polarized to ace high flush and you could fold sometimes.
How he is splashy is way more important than his race. Does he open from cutoff suited aces and pocket pairs to sizes like 15 way more exclusively than lower suited connectors and other hands? Unlikely but pay attention to his bet sizings. How has he played nuts hands on the turn is another good question. Would he only CR the nuts and instead continue again with lower flushes?
Yea I was gonna call or jam blank rivers lol.. he had As5x… unreal because I never thought he’d do this with 2p
Against a normal opponent this would be a clear squeeze preflop to drive out a load of unsuited hands that best you (AJo, ATo, KQo, KJo etc). This deep I want to be playing hands like K9s in position, if you think you have fold equity against this splashy player then squeezing is still an option but if you don't think you get many folds then I don't mind a preflop call with this modest suited King and stack depth.
Postflop really plays itself, the board and action are just about where you don't really like any option other than calling down. I'm not thrilled about the situation, but I'm playing the same way and calling river.