2/5/10/20 , weird river spot
8 handed, 2/5/10 usually but for this hand the 20 was on
1.1k effective
im utg with 6h6c and raise to 50 (usually fold but double straddle was a whale that i have position on so i wanted to play alot of hands with him)
folds to sb gentleman in his 60-70's, tanks a bit and flats, not much info with him, seems active but not crazy; is definitely aware and has 3bet a few times with big sizings.
double straddle calls
flop AsKs6s (160)
x/x/x ?
turn AsKs6s 2d (160)
sb leads 75, double straddle folds, I call
River AsKs6s 2dJh (310)
Sb leads 275, hero?
I'm pretty sure he is 3betting AK pre, I do beat 22 for value but that's about it, as I was tanking he says you got AK there buddy?
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You guys play this nitty 5/10?
I thought yall be playing like Marc Goone.
You should stick to 2/5 games that aren’t re-straddled and you can afford. You are clearly scared money at 1.1k deep and should get up and leave. You are 38/62 versus a flush and should bet all 3 streets. As sheepishly played sorry you lost $275 versus the highly unlikely held-up flush. If you folded river then lol.
You should stick to 2/5 games that arenβt re-straddled and you can afford. You are clearly scared money at 1.1k deep and should get up and leave. You are 38/62 versus a flush and should bet all 3 streets. As sheepishly played sorry you lost $275 versus the highly unlikely held-up flush. If you folded river then lol.
Cool cool cool
So name me one bluff that this 60-70 yo dude has in this preflop config multiway
You think iβd be asking advice in this forum if it was a 3bet hu pot vs some euro pro lolol
Flop is a good example of why it's nice to know how to form flop betting ranges in these spots. I still don't think it's a bad idea to lead this specific combo even if your sizing and overall range don't make any since.
As played, I'd personally raise turn, but flat is fine too.
I'd just flat river, but I'd jam a non-broadway.
No way am I folding against described player. I don't think there's a lot of bluffs, but he can certainly be valuing AJ/A6/KJxs/22 given how underrepped we are.
Someone's age, race, dress, etc are just placeholder reads until you get actual information on a player. The fact that our opponent "seems active" is "definitely aware" and has "3bet a few times with big sizings" are far more valuable pieces of information than who was president when he was born.
Tough to imagine heβs finding a bluff here. Feels like suited connectors all the way, would never lead the flop but wakes up and starts betting big at the first real opportunity. The strength of your hand is pretty disguised though, so itβs tough to tell what heβs trying to extract value from, assuming that youβd lead out often with 2 pair and sets. Maybe trying to get a worse flush to call. Not many offsuit hands with a spade taking this line since heβd probably have to have an ace, and wouldnt be betting an ace for value like this. Last thing Iβm thinking is that his AK comment probably downgrades the amount of thin value heβs going so ie a worse two pair. Looks like a flush or a bluff but I canβt think of a bluff. I would almost definitely be calling here even though youβre only really beating 22 in my estimation lol
Yeh I'd raise turn esp with his smallish bet. Really if he had a flush why would he bet so small OTT? I don't see finding a fold - we are severely underepped, he could have some 2 pair,etc. Think its a clear call.
I'm never checking this flop with bottom set IP. I think I check a lot of SDV and weak value like KQ no ♠ and bet small all big AX, sets, flushes, 2pair and air.
I was also thinking that betting the flop seemed ideal - a small bet will help range them and I actually am thinking 3b versus any even remotely balanced x/r here since absolute worst case we have a very solid redraw as no one else has a set. The flop hits our range nicely as the PFR and it almost feels like it would be a range bet HU? I'm not well studied on GTO though.
If he calls a raise with KQo, QJo, JTo he can have lots of single spade bluffs. If he folds those he really doesn’t have many natural bluffs. I mean he could be going ham with KQs cause we checked flop but that seems unlikely 3 ways.
I would need a lot of hours with someone to fold here. He can still have aces up.
ya i was about to call (didnt do the motion or anything yet) , then speech kinda threw me off, if he puts me on AK then im bluffcatching? or hoping he has 22?
Anyways I did end up calling after awhile
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he goes ah damn I really thought you were gonna fold! and shows me AcQh, I was genuinely shocked that he would turn sucha strong hand into a bluff, like raiseannounced mentionned, we shouldn't judge someone based on their age. I definitely put this guy in the overbluffing camp after this hand
Not quite sure heβs turning his hand into a bluff?
He has too pair best kicker after a monotone flop that checked through and bricked out.. two streets of value is fine and he was probably expecting a call from a lot of worse hands
It was a double straddle pot, so certain players are just going to call a single raise pre flop that they would have otherwise 3bet