2025 World Series of Poker May 27th - July 16th
You really think he should have not raised the river with the ace-high flush or folded getting like 5-1 to the 3!.
5-1 isn’t that much when virtually always beat and it extinguishes your tournament life. Had he folded he would have had a short but not micro stack.
Should have at least thought more but seemed all too happy to quickly call and show how unlucky he got.
5-1 isn’t that much when virtually always beat and it extinguishes your tournament life. Had he folded he would have had a short but not micro stack.
Should have at least thought more but seemed all too happy to quickly call and show how unlucky he got.
Didn't seem happy at all, and can someone not work through this thought process in a couple minutes? Tank longer for what.
Be super exploitable if you folded the 2nd nuts. They could raise you with anything and get you to fold.
Didn't seem happy at all, and can someone not work through this thought process in a couple minutes? Tank longer for what.
Obviously he wasn’t happy but that’s not what that word means in this context
And there’s quite a chasm between thinking about it for a few seconds and tanking for a few minutes.
Like I said he seemed all too happy to show how unlucky he was
Adam Friedman certainly qualifies here as he won the 2018, 2019, and 2021 $10,000 Dealer's Choice Championship (event not held in 2020 because of the COVID-19 pandemic).
But you're thinking of somebody else?
And of course Johnny Chan took down the 1987 and 1988 Main Events before falling heads up to Phil Hellmuth in 1989.
That fellow who the Seniors btb v huge fields won’t make the hof but very impressive. Raymer was just a blank away, just a blank awaaay…
How exploitatable is betting tptk hu from the button after raising preflop shorthanded late in a huge tournament?
5-1 isn’t that much when virtually always beat and it extinguishes your tournament life. Had he folded he would have had a short but not micro stack.
Should have at least thought more but seemed all too happy to quickly call and show how unlucky he got.
If you're folding the A-hi flush getting 5:1 here, it's just such a trivially easy jam for your opponent holding either the naked 8s or 9s, knowing you literally can't and won't call no mattter what you have.
Gotta work out what % of the time it's a str8 flush blocker bluff and what % it's actually the str8 flush. Assuming it's actually the str8 flush less than 70% of the time here seems fair enough, when it's breakeven or better chipEV wise if it's less than 84% of the time, to bake in some ICM cushion.
If you're folding the A-hi flush getting 5:1 here, it's just such a trivially easy jam for your opponent holding either the naked 8s or 9s, knowing you literally can't and won't call no mattter what you have. Gotta work out what % of the time it's a str8 flush blocker bluff and what % it's actually the str8 flush. Assuming it's actually the str8 flush less than 70% of the time
Ugh a few things here
People seem to be missing the fact that I’m actually not killing Lindgren for call, just the fact that it’s a 50K and he called within seconds before shock and emotion of getting repopped wore off. Reevaluate the circumstances, count how much you have left, and make a more measured decision.
And the theory and math isn’t that had to work out. I understand it. But not being played in lab and in this hand they were in money but with relatively flat payouts next few and target didn’t have much left. The issue is how often the play would be done in current reality, not in theory.
Switch positions and Viera considers for awhile and possibly gets away. Blez indicated Lindgren had some chance to
if Viera actually only had the 8s and Lindgren folded, he would also be getting eviscerated
if Viera actually only had the 8s and Lindgren folded, he would also be getting eviscerated
That’s a captain obvious statement but that reality might only exist in some parallel universe that may never get tapped into if Viera is never doing it in all of his realities
But once again, I’m not killing him for call. Just the fact that he should have taken time to consider. He’s actually not getting 5 to 1 due to value of his stack at 400K.
Tbh, Brad Owen strikes me as a “rank amateur” relative to that field.
He’s certainly an accomplished player in some sense, but as far as I know he has basically no mixed-game experience outside of one other tournament.
Esther Taylor has pretty bad results though. I'm sure some fan will come here with her "tournament earnings" but she has no bracelets and is constantly busting with very few big runs. She's gotta be down low to mid 6 figures in tournaments lifetime. And she wasn't very impressive or stand out in live TV cash games. But a bigger upset than Moneymaker? I dunno. PPC is like 100 players. She's probably ok at most of the games.
Grinder winning is one of the most impressive feats and he should be the HOF entrant next year.
That’s a captain obvious statement but that reality might only exist in some parallel universe that may never get tapped into if Viera is never doing it in all of his realities
But once again, I’m not killing him for call. Just the fact that he should have taken time to consider. He’s actually not getting 5 to 1 due to value of his stack at 400K.
I mean, I'm not seeing a reality where someone in a $50,000 tournament is never executing the most absolute basic of blocker bluffs that exists. But either way, this is the reality we are in. I would guess also that Lindgren considered his response to a jam before even making the raise and also while Viera is tanking before jamming, so it's not like he was facing brand new info when it happens.
I mean, I'm not seeing a reality where someone in a $50,000 tournament is never executing the most absolute basic of blocker bluffs that exists. But either way, this is the reality we are in. I would guess also that Lindgren considered his response to a jam before even making the raise and also while Viera is tanking before jamming, so it's not like he was facing brand new info
I'm not sure someone is jamming there as a bluff given the chips behind. I suppose it's possible and it is a 50k but still. And obviously Lindgren is not capable of folding given the time he took and overall body language.
I mean, I'm not seeing a reality where someone in a $50,000 tournament is never executing the most absolute basic of blocker bluffs that exists. But either way, this is the reality we are in. I would guess also that Lindgren considered his response to a jam before even making the raise and also while Viera is tanking before jamming, so it's not like he was facing brand new info
I mean I haven’t seen that reality where the straight flush blocker bluff was attempted which is different than the ace one as someone has around a 20% chance of blocking your block and have the other card. And in this spot it’s a not a pot raise back when bubble had broken. I would legit like to see where this was employed somewhere on TV, would be interesting.
But as I’ve said i don’t blame call at all, however, I watched the footage and my read was that he was shocked. Taking time isn’t an outlandish take.
If you're folding the A-hi flush getting 5:1 here, it's just such a trivially easy jam for your opponent holding either the naked 8s or 9s, knowing you literally can't and won't call no mattter what you have. Gotta work out what % of the time it's a str8 flush blocker bluff and what % it's actually the str8 flush. Assuming it's actually the str8 flush less than 70% of the time
You can’t possibly be blocking the nuts if you only hold the 8 or 9 of spades. If you only have the 8, the other player can have the A and 9 of spades. I don’t think a true nut blocker bluff exists in this specific case.
I've rarely seen anyone run better than Okamoto has at this ladies event final table. She just makes big hand after big hand. It's wild. Just in general, the tables got so many big hands. Pretty entertaining.
Okamoto now has 25 millions chips to Alcorn's 2 million heads-up. Looking like she's going to go back to back.
Okamoto just blasting away through the entire event 3 years in a row and generating fold after fold. I can see how she keeps winning this. Its like a winning 5/10 player playing super LAG at the 1/2 table.
She’s heads up with an 11:1 chip lead. Presuming her opponent isn’t playing for a bonus million from ClubWPT, Shiina should get the win, again.
She did it. Runner up (2023), winner (2024), and now winner again.
Pretty incredible achievement in big fields as well.
Phenomenal effort. Bet she still occasionally thinks about not getting it done in 2023.
