A marginal spot with T8s.
1/3 NL 8 handed.
The button opens to 15, SB calls, and I call in the BB with Th8h.
The button seems to be a laggy 30 year old.
The SB seems to be loose pre but nitty with the pre flop raises. He has 3 bet twice pre and showed AA. I suspect his calling range is fairly strong.
(45 pot)....Qc8dQs...It's checked to the button who bets 15...I think he is betting here a lot but has checked back some boards mw. The SB calls.
I don't have a great read on what the SB may have. He is loose pre but has something to be calling here. It could be a pocket pair, a Q, maybe a big Ace high.
What do you do here?
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Call and reevaluate turn. I would 3b or fold pre to 5x open.
Stacks?
I doubt calling preflop for this sizing OOP is going to be profitable. And meanwhile I'm not exactly thrilled about 3betting either (as laggy player in position will often call as will tighter range SB). I would lean to a fold but I'm a nit.
I think for this sizing I would call and then see what happens. No one is going to get too out-of-line here when it looks like someone has a Q, so if anyone bets the turn I'm folding. If turn checks thru and tight guy checks river then we might have a small value bet if unders run out.
GcluelessNLnoobG
Stacks?I doubt calling preflop for this sizing OOP is going to be profitable. And meanwhile I'm not exactly thrilled about 3betting either (as laggy player in position will often call as will tighter range SB). I would lean to a fold but I'm a nit.I think for this sizing I would call and then see what happens. No one is going to get too out-of-line here when it looks like so
Effective 500 sorry.
fold pre (maybe 3bet sometimes for the lols, if BTN can fold).
Again, GTO is super nitty ... if BTN opens 2.5bb and SB folds T8s is close to a pure call for +0.33bb in equity. If BTN opens 2.5bb and SB 3bets to 12bb, BB folds most 99 and KQo/QJs pure.
fold flop. You might be in front, but there are no good runouts and you block bluffs/draws from both. Against one person with 100% range and an 8 you are slightly in front (~55%) if you only give them a 50% preflop range you crash down to ~37%.
Folding > Raising > Calling
I would fold pre and then fold flop 3ways, obviously calling HU.
Stacks?I doubt calling preflop for this sizing OOP is going to be profitable. And meanwhile I'm not exactly thrilled about 3betting either (as laggy player in position will often call as will tighter range SB). I would lean to a fold but I'm a nit.I think for this sizing I would call and then see what happens. No one is going to get too out-of-line here when it looks like so
I'd say that calling flop is much worse than calling pre here.
I can justify a call pre (or 3bet), but you need to know to get away on the flop here. Sure the PFR might not have a Q, but the caller certainly might. Against any Q you are drawing stone dead already, you don't even have a backdoor flush draw.
What are you hoping for exactly? That neither of them have a Q, AND turn and river come a bunch of low cards AND no one bets? May as well light that money on fire.
What are you hoping for exactly? That neither of them have a Q, AND turn and river come a bunch of low cards AND no one bets? May as well light that money on fire.
Getting 5:1 and having the pot protected by future bluffs (it would be a little suicidal for anyone to get too out-of-hand on future streets on this board still 3ways), I'm not fist pumping but I also don't think it quite qualifies as spew either. I don't hate a fold but I think I slightly prefer a call.
GcluelessspewynoobG
The sb called with you left to act, as you both naturally checked to the pfr. There's no decent draw out there. Pfr can have a q. Wtf can the sb have worse than 8T?! Just fold. You hope he has 89 and that the pfr is bluffing with no pair??!
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Grunch:
PRE - you might catch flack for defending with T8s, but I think at low stakes it's probably fine. If I'm feeling frisky I might 3B it if the PFR is a LAG in LP, but my image has to be "don't eff with me tonight" solid.
FLOP - Hmmmm...I might actually donk here, with plans to shut it down if we get called. We can have all kinds of QX, and the BTN shouldn't be floating us too wide with the SB left to act behind him. I might come out and bet $15 or $20, and fold to a raise.
As played, we're kind of in no-man's land when the SB calls the BTN's c-bet. Maybe he shows up with a worse 8 or something like JT, J9, or T9, but mostly he's just going to be sandbagging with QX, I think, and we don't really love being in the middle here.
Your read is that SB is sort of tight-passive, and BTN will check back some hands MW. Seems like we can make a pretty standard fold and not worry we're being nitty.
