Live 2/5/10 - how to play?

For these types of questions, I'd recommend buying JNandez's book, then possibly investing in a course.

When you only have 30bb, just ship any playable hand preflop??? AAxx/KKxx/QQxx/AKxx/AQxx etc.???
If you're putting 1/2 of your stack preflop, might as well stick it in???
If 3 other players are putting their stacks in, I guess 9875 ds are ok to ship it in with, it's just gambling, do you have it in your blood to gamble?

Just either fold or gamble preflop with these crazy people.

This, you're just going to have to spend a good amount of time learning the game if you really want to know how to play these various spots.

If you can find someone to go thru this thread and spend hours upon hours writing up stuff and putting in the work for you to teach you how to play poker then congrats to you on that. I'm not gonna do that

You can either
a) get JNandez/RIO trainer and spend a lot of time in there
b) put money on ACR/Bovada/app games and play some smaller stakes then check equities and spots you play in the solver to see if they're correct
c) get a coach
d) all the above

No one here owes you hours of their time to answer your OP which is basically a long form question of, how do I play poker? Tons of situations and spots are going to come up at all different stack sizes and you won't always know the correct answer, none of us do esp as we get deeper. We play, make mistakes, study, and then go forward trying to apply what we learn to make better decisions. Stop trying to avoid the process and get to work if you want to be good at poker that badly

OP, I think you need to back way up and change your mindset. You just listed 5 different stakes sizes and 6 different hands. That is a bit much. Do this instead, start off becoming incredibly well versed in how to play 100bb preflop. You can surf YouTube videos right now and see the owners of training sites demoing their software in preflop situations and they don't usually get 100% correct, but they damn sure are usually over 85% correct or they would honestly say they need to practice that spot better. Your posts read like you currently would have a hard time getting 100bb preflop poker 85%+ correct for the default plays. Stop all this multiple stack size thoughts until you can play one stack size correctly. Stop all this discussion about deviating from default play if you don't even know the default play.

Yea OP's thoughts seem to be pretty chaotic and scattered about how to even approach learning.

First answer a few questions about about what you're trying to accomplish overall and how much work you're willing to put in to do it and then you can pretty easily break down a system for learning the game that suits you

1) Is this the only game you're playing and how many hours per week are you playing it? If 20 hours or less are you trying to find more games to play and become a full time pro as you get better?

2) What do you buy into the game for most consistently....30bb, 50bb, 100bb, more?

3) Do you stay and play a certain number of hours or do you play til you're up a certain amount and then leave?

4) Do you play online at all, stakes, buy in amount?

5) What is your overall goal with poker? How hard are you willing to work to achieve your goal?

I think you'll find many people on here willing to help and guide you to the well but you're ultimately gonna have to be the one to extract the water and drink it, and that's an everyday process not just some 1 off thread on 2p2 where all the answers are magically given to you

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Maybe all 3.

In fact maybe all 3 for more than just that option.

You're asking too big a question to expect specific answers. Post a spot, and we'll help; otherwise you're asking us to leakfind you based on very limited information.

The solution to your problem here is more study, more books, more coaching, more hands. More study can come in the form of posting a buttload of hands here or wherever, making sure to comment on as many hands as you can, taking note of what the posters you respect say, integrating it all into your game. It can also come in the form or relentlessly running equities and ranges and counting outs to develop an instinctual sense for your equity.

Combine this with playing easier games where possible. Sounds like you've fot a laggro table, and you're learning in a cauldron rather than a gently boiling pot. Try out microstakes online and get a feel for preflop equities multiway.

i don't think it's big question at all, your response is perfect.

for example, at 300 bb, i prolly wont put in 50% of my stack in with 8765 ds. At 200bb or less I would be a little more comfortable taking a flop.

It seems my post made people uncomfortable or like i asked too much or too broadly.

Answer as broad or as specific as you like!

I think the question is pretty straightforward.

The game is easy to play when 3 and 4bets fit nicely within a 100bb playing field.

Live is another animal, with straddles, and size disparities from 30bb to 500bb, **** gets weird.

So that's why I'm here.

How awkward can we get?

What percentage of your stack are you comfortable putting in with non AAxx hands, and what does that range look like?

There's very little context for this question other than stacks range from 30-300bb and people are 3b/4b light

We have no idea what your BR is for this game, what you buy in for typically(stack size you need to focus on learning the most), how many reloads you will do if you get stacked, what kinds of hands these guys are showing down after 3b/4b, etc...

You're providing very little detail and your posts come across as basically, teach me poker guy. It's not that simple

I am 'teach me poker guy'. I am always learning. Bro, you are so bent out of shape throughout this thread. If you don't want to answer it, if it's not your cup of tea, if you think the question is flawed, if u think im an ass, if you think it's too broad, don't answer it.

IMO, there's enough there for you to chew on. I've read your content. Just spill, one sentence, one paragraph, whatchu you got, Lucid? :p

It's all good, I'll bow out of your thread. Your thoughts seem pretty scattered thus your approach to the game and your goals are also scattered and remain unarticulated. Maybe you'll get lucky and you'll find some people who will take the time to answer all these broad questions you seem to have. Good luck!

Let's try this, when Lucid is sitting 200 bb deep in his own live plo habitat, what types of hands is he comfortable flatting 100bb pre, closing the action 4ways? You can include AAxx hands for sure, i'm just being hypothetical. There may be NO hands in this range. Some strategies prefer committing at 40% or more. Some people are playing jam or fold here but I've learned to save by just taking flops and getting away clean my last 500 out of 2k on say 449 or 567 when holding a broadway rundown or ugly aces.

Damn dude

i'm not the smartest guy around or the best omaha player and that's why i'm here. I don't know what mold i have to fit to post a question - didn't know I needed my goals prioritized and articulated first, my bad. I will admit my thoughts are scattered. Maybe I have a learning disability? Although, I don't know of any approach to poker that isn't scattered. Books, forums, videos, solver work, experience, discussion... the game is studied from many angles.

Good luck to you as well,

Taking a flop or putting half your stack in pre are two very different things, and I would not do the latter if multiple people are going in. None of your FDs will be good and you can lose to higher straights.

Just gonna pull you up on this.

No one has been made 'uncomfortable' because of your post. If you're not getting the answers you were hoping for, that's because you've asked vague questions. Implying that your your words make others uncomfortable makes you sound like a brave hero and others as intolerant, small-minded, sensitive etc. We all see through it, though.

I would agree to much of this

Brother, the only person i see playing hero is you. It's clear i'm the villain in this thread. The projection aside, if I have been misunderstood by anyone else, let me elaborate by what i meant by making people uncomfortable with my question.

Broad or vague questions are uncomfortable to answer because there are infinite ways to build a response or offer insight. that's all i meant.

And when the OP doesn't know exactly what he's asking it can make things that much more difficult, and for that i apologize.

i tend to use Socratic learning, asking broad, vague or open-ended questions to invite a range of replies. It's more of a conversation than a Q+A. just a way to explore different angles and see where the conversation goes.

I'll just say on my end the way I read his post and his subsequent pushback is that he just wants to be spoon fed everything. It's not like he even posted HH's he just posted some different hands and some various stack sizes and seems to want an answer for how to play all these spots

He then asks about calling off $1000 of a $2000 stack with DS rundowns and such

So I asked some questions to determine where his mind was at on the game and the variance he was willing to take on and instead of answering any of them he spent 3 posts pushing back. If you're gonna ask a lot of help from people you should be very open and willing to answer any questions they may ask of you before they spend a bunch of time helping you

My conclusion is he isn't really willing to put the work in and was hoping a bunch of us would just tell him how we would play this game and he could just copy those strategies

My suggestion would be to take that $1000 DS rundown hand and throw it in the muck instead of seeing a flop and spend the $1000 to get 5-6 months on JNandez or Galfonds site and play around with the solvers to strengthen your foundation

They're time consuming to answer. And I asked you a few simple questions that would have taken you 5-15 mins to answer depending on how much you felt like elaborating. You spend those 5 mins writing posts pushing back against me rather than answering. You ask people here to spend all this time helping you but haven't even thought out what you want your approach to poker to be

If you only play 5-10 hours per week and don't want to invest too much time into studying it, that's fine. That would be completely understandable. But if you can't take the time to answer a few simple questions and articulate that why should anyone here take a bunch of their time to help you?

i find there's value in explaining things to others. when you teach, you engrain it better within yourself

so don't answer if it's an issue

I don't understand this or the relevance this thread.

the only relevant question here is #2 regarding buyin. If you like, I buy in around 50bb which is around average as we start the game. As the night progresses I will have 100bb minimum.

I ignored your earlier posts because of your psv/agg nature and veiled insults. i did not wish to engage with your earlier posts. A response pointing to books, coaches, courses, solvers and playing time is not an answer for a forum. Forums are for discussion.

You wasted your own time with fluff posts and assumptions about me as a player and person instead of addressing my area of inquiry.

More pushback. It's hard for me to admit when I'm wrong sometimes too, I get it

Move down in stakes? 2-5-10 might sound like mid stakes, but that game sounds like it plays like a 25-50 game of hold em. Yeah, I know it's a private game, but maybe that place is a tough place to learn PLO.

I don't see how I could tell you how to play it better than you already know, when you have profiles on the players after having played repeated sessions with them. Out of the hands you listed, I might call or even shove the KQJT or AJT9 with certain opponents. Marginal situations like those often depend on the rake structure.

I've seen guys in those wild types of games that look to play low cards for big pots when they think the others have all the broadway, and it actually worked in the solver when i looked it up later.