Is this a standard rip or a punt? (I know nothing about shortstack)
Is this a standard rip or a punt? (I know nothing about shortstack)

Is this a standard rip or a punt? (I know nothing about shortstack)

2/5 NLHE 9 handed

Game is playing mandatory UTG straddle to 10, we're getting destroyed. We have no playable hands, lost with AJo vs AKo when a guy who had just played AK from the BB 3-bet pre and went bomb bomb bomb (as BB), very next hand he's in SB with AK again - we raise AJo, he just calls out of SB, SRP, Flop A-A-blank and we get stacked. We're down to 300$ and might be tilted/feeling punty.

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UTG straddles, V1 a semi-aware loose passive opens 35 from LJ, HJ strong TAG 3-bets to 150, folds to H OTB who sees 8 8 and 4-bet shoves for 300...

04 July 2025 at 08:00 PM
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Seems bad. You have no FE and are well behind his 3! range. At 2/5, he may have a reasonable 3! range, but should have a lot of higher pps and no smaller pps. You hops he has Axs or scs. Plus original raiser can have a hand.

Do you have a fold button? This seems like a really easy fold.


What's is your EV if it folds to HJ and he calls because he cannot fold? That's probably the best place to start since its the easiest.


I think we only cold 4bet shoving jj+ ak+ here in this specific spot.

We are never 4betting light for value unless 3bettor 3bets super light.

88 is super easy fold whether you're 100bb or 30bb. Maybe it's playable in this spot if it were 500bb effective.


by dangomango m

I think we only cold 4bet shoving jj+ ak+ here in this specific spot.

We are never 4betting light for value unless 3bettor 3bets super light.

88 is super easy fold whether you're 100bb or 30bb. Maybe it's playable in this spot if it were 500bb effective.

Yeah, maybe JJ+/AK. The shove with 88 is awful.


Yeah, you can't cold call a 3! with 88. It doesn't matter that you are short. If you were really deep or somewhat deep and like 4-ways, you could call mostly to set mine.

You seen to generally be playing too loose from the HHs you post.


You can't just shove over a 3! light because you are a short stack. That is the way a lot of donks play it, but it is terrible.

Mostly you need to play a short stack for value. Like at 2/5, you will get a raise and 4 callers and you can shove over that with good hands. Either you pick up a good pot or get called by a worse range. It works better at 2/5 than 1/3, because there are a higher percentage of raised pots, but people still call raises with anything halfway playable. Harder to do at 1/2 or 1/3, as many raisers have a tight range.

Then you can see a flop sometimes with like KQs and usually gii with top pair or a good draw. You can't play some hands like small pps or Axs much.

If you are not comfortable playing the short stack, just rebuy. You might be better with at 500. That gives you depth to get paid off for sets and 3!ing big pairs, etc.


Punt.

This is why I don’t like playing short stacked. Too many spots where you should fold, but with only $300 in front it’s easy to say **** it, and do something dumb


This appears to be an emotional play based on the fact things haven’t been going well. When you shove a short stack, you’re always expecting a lot of fold equity. You don’t have that in this situation.

Often expected that late position raises are more wide than they are. I’m short stacked a lot in tournaments & could never get involved in this trying to protect my stack. Easy fold.

I think your frustration facing AK led to this. It’s another story but AJ is not a very good hand. Maybe in the back of your mind you had visions of 88 taking down AK.

No info, maybe you did double up, but you raised into a tight player with a loose player yet to act. You really have no idea what you’re up against. No problem, I think we’ve all done this type of thing before. Play on!


Result:

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I rip, opener folds, 3-bettor has JJ and wins


by Stupidbanana m

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I rip, opener folds, 3-bettor has JJ and wins

He 31. What did you expect him to have?


Punt. Just shove what you would cold 4bet here with a normal stack. Probably JJ+ and Ak.


Banana, if you're playing 2/5 and they put the mandatory 10 straddle on, and you're having a bad session, I'd suggest racking up or changing tables, or even moving down to lower stakes, rather than sitting 30 straddles deep with a losing / tilted image.

The actual hand here is...sort of meh. The easiest way to put it is to ask if you thought you were shoving for value, hoping to get called, shoving as a bluff, hoping for folds, or just saying "eff it, send me home" when you pushed your chips in?

Your hand is too in-between to shove for value or as a bluff here. Best case scenario, you're flipping against over-cards. Worst case, you're dominated with very little chance to improve.

Actually, if you're going to make this play, when our image is shot to $hlt and we look tilted, I think it's probably better to flat call, hoping the LJ jams AK and the HJ calls with AK, and we can go for the full triple up. If the LJ is truly semi-aware, he may get antsy in the pantsy and jam to squeeze out the HJ. That's not bad for us, either, with the extra dead money in the pot.

I guess I'm saying I'd rather shrug-call it off when we're getting too good a price to fold than YOLO-jam when we're likely to get called by better and are only folding out worse.

ETA - I forgot to say what I'd actually do. I'd probably fold, and then rack up, because folding 88 in a session like this is just going to tilt me more, and if I fold, at least I can congratulate myself on retaining a small amount of discipline at the tail end of a bad session, when I could otherwise be rage-punting.

ETA2 - just read the reveal. This is exactly the sort of scenario that makes me think flat-calling then calling off a jam is better than 4B jamming. Our 4B looks strong enough to fold out the original raiser, whereas if we flat call, he may think we're weak, 4B with AK, and make JJ fold. Then we can call it off, and actually have decent equity while getting a good price.

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