[MID] Multiway SRP with combo draw

Preflop should really be a fold. You are UTG and this type of hand gets you in trouble multiway, as in this hand with the low flush, regardless if you won it.

Calling flop may be better. This kind of combo draw is not that strong multiway.

Turn should probably be bigger.

I would shove river for 1/7 pot. I can't imagine he plays a flush that way.

Fold pre, flat flop, jam turn. Turn sizing is very bad.

Really, fold 78s pre in the LJ with 2/3 fish in the blinds?

OTT pot is $1025, V1 has $975 behind, V3 has $1675 behind.

Yeah. 87 isn't that good of a hand tbh. I think a big turn bet is pretty good.

You said UTG 7-handed. That would be one place before LJ.

At this stakes, you are likely going to be 3! a frequently, and any option to the 3! is bad. You would be throwing away a lot of money raise/folding a lot of hands.

It's 7-handed with the straddle on, so LJ is first to act pre-flop.

You are in LJ, but first to act 7-handed. How often do you get HU with the straddle and how often do you get a multiway pot like this or get 3!?

Seems misplayed on every street, but you probably won a big pot.

Don’t think we’re supposed to open this pre, especially with 3 blinds and one of them going to be overdefending (the straddle if it was optional). I also don’t get the desire to be playing more pots oop.

Flop I just call, trying to get a better price on our draw from the other villains.

Turn the spr is under 1 I believe. Just jam it in, lots of hands can / have to call.

On river I jam but I do expect to run into the nuts now and then. I’m actually having a tough time ranging him. Does he play a straight like this? Maybe he has KT and plays it really bad? River sizing is weird too, but our raise is so tiny and the spr so small on river.

It's an overwhelmingly majority fold in theory. Like basically just playing it for the surprise factor.

All the mixes can become profitable with enough of a skill edge, but I think your discomfort in this spot might suggest that's not the case.

I prefer raising the flop. You could make the case to not have a flatting range at all, in which case you'd want to go smaller with the raise.

OTT: I think there's merit to going with the geometric size on a flush completing overcard 3-way with your range as a whole, in which case this is only a slight overbet. Jamming is probably better for this combo specifically.

To answer your questions:

I think villain's flop cold calling range is tilted toward nutted draws, with strong made hands like two-pair+ possible but discounted, and hands like KT very heavily discounted.

That'd usually be bad news for us with an 8-high flush draw, but luckily there are fully 16 unblocked combos of nut straight draws that also got there OTT (one of which is ahead of us). So it's 15 combos of straights + a dozen or so discounted combos of two pairs and straights versus 8 combos of nut flushes and Q-high flush+OESD combos + a smattering of other high flushes that are a little hard to come by given this specific board and preflop action.

His river blocking bet also tilts his range toward the turned straight / flopped two-pair+ part of his range because WTF is this play with a nut flush?

Villain will not usually fold to a $325 shove, and their block bet will often work just because people are bad at facing block bets.

I guess what I'm saying is shove.

Preflop is bad, but there is some value that your UTG range will be harder to define. The fish in the straddle doesn't matter so much, because live games are loose, and you aren't getting HU with him that much.

You need to push the turn partly for protection against another diamond or the board pairing.

On the river, he either has the nuts or you are ahead. He really shouldn't play the nuts that way. His play doesn't make that much sense with anything, but he probably has a weaker strong hand.

Mostly repeating what has already been said...

Preflop is most probably a fold in a 3 blinds game, perhaps an open at some frequency if the table is passive enough. The opening size seems correct.

Kind of undecided between call and raise otf. If we raise, we might want to make it a tad smaller, like ~230 (?).

V1 cold call really looks like a draw.

At this SPR and still 3 way, turn is a weird spot. On the one hand, when we bet this turn, we have close to 0 bluffs, so polarising our range with a big bet doesn't look great. On the other hand, almost any bet will leave us pot committed on most rivers.
Any option (shove, bet, check) might be ok at some frequency. If I bet though, I'd go even smaller, like ~250.

As played, river is an obvious shove. If V has a b/f range here, God bless him.

I don’t play higher than 2/5 but without even looking at results, I was weighting V pretty much on the NFD or a better combo draw than you with that flop cold call. Which is why I honestly prefer betting smaller on turn and folding to a raise.

Your combo draw is kinda overrated when you see this kind of action on flop. Even when you hit another diamond, you’re hating life.

Well, "rec" doesn't necessarily mean "fish" to me.
Assuming we are playing against fish, then we need some more detailed read to exploit them.
If the fish is the calling station type, then we'd lean towards a shove ott.
If the fish is the maniac/hyperaggressive type, then we'd lead more towards a check back ott.

However, what troubles me the most ott is that we are still 3way, so the probability that either of the two Vs has a better flush is not so remote.

Obviously, the results can come out differently. However, these low suited connectors do have this sort of flush over flush problem in lose live games. When you raise this UTG, often you get like a 4-way pot or get 3!

Also, a problem with raising a combo draw like this multiway, which is not as strong as it looks.

Grunch:

PRE - I don't like opening 87s from UTG at these stack depths, against these V's, particularly V3 who is likely to over-defend his straddle and probably doesn't like to fold any pair post-flop.

FLOP - I don't think I'd raise flop when V3 donks into us, even when we have as much equity as we do. If we raise and get called, he either has us beat, or has a better flush draw.

TURN - Yeesh. We made our flush, but is it any good? I think I'd either check back, or bet really small, like $200, with plans to fold to a raise. What worse flushes are our opponents likely to have, that will call a bigger bet?

RIVER - Blech. We can't fold, but I don't think I could find a raise here, with our exact hand. If he rolls over a worse flush or AK, I'll hate myself, but if we punt off an extra $325 to him, I'll want to go lay down in traffic.

The reason you and everyone else are surprised at the result is that you haven't played against enough rich middle-aged guys to know how they play.

This is EXACTLY how they play the nut flush draw.

In theory, you could raise flop, but he's never folding. If he's truly from out of town, I'd think we have even less fold equity.

Rich guys who are traveling away from home and get enough time away from their wives to play some cards HATE folding. If he wasn't here gambling it up, he'd be searching the internet for a call girl to come to his hotel room. He's got two days on the road and is looking for some excitement.

They don't know how to play for max value. They're looking for the dopamine hit that comes when you call their absurdly small value bets and they show you the nuts.

Before anyone asks - I work in sales, and I travel a lot. I know the type, very well. The clue is how he dresses. He's wearing his W2, and is disappointed that for all the money he makes, his life is boring and his existence more or less meaningless. He's here for a good time, not a long time, and doesn't mind sharing his pain.

If he was dressed plain, and seems well-adjusted, that's a guy with a happy marriage who's thinking about paying for his kids' college. He's not there to punt. He's there to grind out enough of a profit to pay for a steak dinner with all the trimmings.

Don't take it personally, folks. Just over-fold to small bets from the wealthy out-of-towner businessman type. If he was bluffing or had a worse value hand, he'd be betting bigger, not smaller.

V3 was the well dressed guy staying at the casino hotel. He led flop and folded to our turn bet.

V1 was euro guy, dressed average, looks like he plays there a lot. He cold called our flop raise, and led river small.

Nice reads on V3 though. Any other tells for this player type?

Ah, I missed that. I thought tthe main V here was the out of towner.

I don't think the advice I gave would change, though. The reasoning is that this is how a lot of bad recs play their nut flush draws.

The middle aged or older gent with money can be an annoying opponent. So can the passive Euro. They tend to make plays that are sub-optimal, at least in theory, but they win when we try to out-play them with tactics they don't really understand.

Like, this guy flopped the NFD, and check called behind a donk and a big raise. He's not sitting there calculating his implied odds in his head, or thinking about what he'll do if the donker decides to 3B. He just knows he has a draw to a strong hand and wants to see at least one more card. He doesn't mind gambling. If you jammed flop, he probably would have shrug-called.