Pretty devastating short session... Please help me out
I lost 250 bb in 20 hands... Microstakes
Hand #1
Ignition - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
Hero (BTN): 98.5 BB
SB: 61.4 BB
BB: 110 BB
UTG: 78.8 BB
MP: 13.9 BB
CO: 107.8 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♦ A♥ 4♠ K♦
UTG raises to 3.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, BB calls 11 BB, UTG calls 8.5 BB
Flop: (36.5 BB, 3 players) 3♦ 8♠ 9♣
BB bets 34.7 BB, UTG calls 34.7 BB, fold
Turn: (105.9 BB, 2 players) 9♥
BB bets 63.3 BB and is all-in, fold
BB wins 100.7 BB
I 3B BTN. When BB donks this flop, I'm expecting him to have hands like QJT that want to deny equity. Even though I have bare Aces, can I stack off vs BB at 2.5 SPR? Or is the SPR too high, and I should just fold?
Once UTG called, I simply folded because I'm crushed by a set.
Hand #2
Ignition - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 29 BB
MP: 134.1 BB
CO: 70.8 BB
BTN: 79.3 BB
SB: 105.8 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T♣ J♠ Q♦ 4♣
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) MP has K♥ A♥ 7♣ K♠
UTG calls 1 BB, MP raises to 4.5 BB, CO calls 4.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 3.5 BB, UTG calls 3.5 BB
Flop: (18.5 BB, 4 players) 9♥ K♦ 7♠
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP bets 17.6 BB, fold, Hero raises to 70.4 BB, fold, MP raises to 123.2 BB, Hero calls 25.1 BB and is all-in
Turn: (209.5 BB, 2 players) 2♣
River: (209.5 BB, 2 players) A♦
Hero shows T♣ J♠ Q♦ 4♣ (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 38%, Flop 39%, Turn 33%)
MP shows K♥ A♥ 7♣ K♠ (Three of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 62%, Flop 61%, Turn 68%)
MP wins 199.1 BB
When MP pots this rainbow flop into 3 players, I'm expecting him to have a set, possible 2 pair. I essentially have 9 outs (36% equity) with my wrap. At 5 SPR, do I simply have to fold? Or was my shove correct? I didn't think calling made sense, because I'm essentially pot committed, and can never fold any turns.
Hand #3
Ignition - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
Hero (MP): 109.2 BB
CO: 23 BB
BTN: 236 BB
SB: 97 BB
BB: 54 BB
UTG: 105.7 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♦ Q♥ 4♥ 3♦
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) BTN has A♥ A♣ 3♥ 3♠
fold, Hero raises to 3.5 BB, CO calls 3.5 BB, BTN raises to 15.5 BB, SB calls 15 BB, fold, Hero calls 12 BB, fold
Flop: (51 BB, 3 players) 2♥ T♥ 6♥
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets 48.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 48.5 BB
Turn: (148 BB, 2 players) 6♠
Hero checks, BTN bets 140.6 BB, Hero calls 45.2 BB and is all-in
River: (238.4 BB, 2 players) 5♣
Hero shows Q♦ Q♥ 4♥ 3♦ (Flush, Queen High)
(Pre 32%, Flop 2%, Turn 5%)
BTN shows A♥ A♣ 3♥ 3♠ (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 68%, Flop 98%, Turn 95%)
BTN wins 226.5 BB
When BTN 3B, I'm expecting him to have Aces 90%+ of the time. Even though my Queens are dominated, I decided to call because I'm double suited, decently connected, 110bb deep, getting better pot odds because SB cold-called, and can play with "perfect information" against Aces. Should I have just folded Queens against a 3B range that is almost always Aces?
When I flopped the 3rd nuts at 2 SPR, I mentally decided I was going to call down. I was worried he might have nut hearts... but I figured it was just as (or more likely) he has the naked A hearts. Is this just standard?
9 Replies
Hand 1) nice fold
Hand 2) you have a 13 out wrap so sticking it in here isn't horrible but if you put him specifically on a set why can't you call twice and fold board pair turns or Q high on the river and save your remaining money? you'll end up saving 25bb which is pretty significant and he will almost 100% pay you off for the remaining esp if you hit it on the river
Hand 3) standard cooler
Hand 2 you have 13 nut outs, inside wrap to pair your cards and the eight. If you put your opponent on a set then calling is the play so you can fold on the turn if board pairs
Hand 2) you have a 13 out wrap so sticking it in here isn't horrible but if you put him specifically on a set why can't you call twice and fold board pair turns or Q high on the river and save your remaining money? you'll end up saving 25bb which is pretty significant and he will almost 100% pay you off for the remaining esp if you hit it on the river
Hand 2 you have 13 nut outs, inside wrap to pair your cards and the eight. If you put your opponent on a set then calling is the play so you can fold on the turn if board pairs
Ah, I didn't even realize I had 13 outs. I didn't feel like I had fold equity because he potted into multiple opponents. I would agree that I should have just called, and possibly folded bad turns.
Hand 1 - definitely a fold
Hand 2 - MP potting 4 ways is extremely strong on a somewhat bland board and you block wraps. Jamming serves no purpose unless you think he folds two pair or bottom set which is doubtful, so calling is the way to go
Hand 3 - nothing you can do here imo - would just stick it in OTF
The solver would say fold those last two pre flop, the QQ one I believe would raise-fold (it would simply fold with only one suit). Nobody actually does this at micro stakes, though.
You can see what the trouble is with them, because you get in a lot of situations like you were in, OOP. You're forced to check and look weak, and when the inevitable bet comes, you don't know if it's a bluff with a nut flush or naked aces etc. Donking out is even worse.
Those were the hands where you lost the most, and IMO the problem is pre-flop. But 90% of the microstakes Omaha players I see making the same calls.
The solver would say fold those last two pre flop, the QQ one I believe would raise-fold (it would simply fold with only one suit). Nobody actually does this at micro stakes, though. You can see what the trouble is with them, because you get in a lot of situations like you were in, OOP. You're forced to check and look weak, and when the inevitable bet comes, you don't know if i
Solver is folding hand #2 preflop (only calling when DS). However, it calls hand #3 vs BTN 3B.
Correct play will often lead to you losing far more than 250bb in 20 hands. That's baby variance. Learn to embrace it.
1) easy fold on flop when the bet gets called ahead of you.
2) pre is terrible. Post is pretty bad too. When you have a draw, the first thing you should do os count your outs. With limited time to make decisions or mashed sense to get really good and fast at this. Count both your nut outs and outs to improve. Rainbow flop plus inside wrap + extra 4 outs from the 8 give you 13. With this nutty and big draw, but no pair, raising is pretty bad, when the pfr is potting into 3 other players. You could be up against AAJT too, against which i think you're doing worse.
3) i probably play the same
1 good fold
2 i fold this pre cuz we goin multiway here and we oop and we got a 3card hand so gonna be real hard to get money in here ahead and even when we do flop good like this i guess hes not putting money in 4way without same draw+ unless he has a made hand like in this hand but then we arent super happy either so i just fold it pre
but i guess if i get here i call without a pair since we got nutted outs, with a pair can raise block some set and we own same wrap no pair
3 i think is not much to do
only thing this made me wonder is how good the 43 actually is, its connected sure but its disconnected from the Q and low so we not making a bigger straight unless he has 32 which he would prolly need AA with that for 3b i imagine something like QQT7 QQT6 better even, and if he 3b some AK54 stuff we also got reverse implied but i mean ds i guess i call and get stacked like u here cuz even a new player if he somewhat aggresive gonna see that he has Ah and blast sometimes i think
ps.im noob so dont put too much stock into this just trying to learn but i guess thats obvious anyway
