Aviation
There doesn't seem to be an aviation thread anywhere so here it is
Are Boeing killing off their whistleblowers?
How on earth was there a concrete wall 200m into the overrun of the runway in South Korea?
Discuss
(There is actually a good aviation Q+A in another thread but I think W0X0F has now retired and isn't as active anymore, still worth a read though, also I can't recommend the Mentour Pilot YT channel enough, it's awesome) - https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/34/ot... and https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwpHKud...
RIP to all souls who died in the recent tragedies.
very, terribly sad.
i watched the footage of south korea. the system was designed to fail.
Yeah I tried to start one or continue one in OOT - no takers. Tragic events in the last week in aviation.
I saw the video and man that plane hits that wall at high speed . I thought the folks may have burned to death but that impact looks to killed them
Statistically speaking, flying is still the safest form of travel.
so why was there a wall there?
belly landing is taught to pilots yet that runway seemed to not be fit for it
The story of the crash in South Korea has a lot of parts to it.
First of all this was in South Korea, a foreign country. Idk of any airports in the US with that type of a wall at the end of the runway, especially that close to the threshold since it also would have the opposite problem of someone breaking out too low and clipping the top of it while landing and flipping over the airplane but this wall appears to be for security, especially with all the barbed wire on it. They live next to a communist country, so their priorities are gonna be alil different than safety protocols of other countries. I don't believe this was put there to stop a plane from running off the runway.
Airports in the U.S. thankfully use a technology that slows down the plane if he rolls out too far but it's designed to make them sink into soft ground or give it friction, not crash into a brick wall.
Second of all, the problem at hand was said to be a bird strike of which CNN has a video of a birdstrike on the #2 engine while he was going around the first time (the weather was clear and sunny so it wasn't a missed instrument approach and the reason for the first go around is unknown, not even sure if the pilot told the controller since they usually ask that question once he's established on a new approach). It appears on the video the bird strike happened before he even cleared the end of the runway while he was going around the first time. Flaps and gear were fully retracted as he was configured for a climb out so they can come back for another approach.
Third, and the most questionable part of this sequence of events is the one with the most questions because nothing seems to make any sense. According to this info on CBS News, he declared a go around first, then a mayday for a bird strike while he appears to be still over the runway on takeoff, and only 3 minutes later he's already on the ground.
After an initial failed landing attempt, the Boeing 737-800 received a bird strike warning from the ground control center. It then ascended again before trying to land a second time.
Two minutes later, the plane's crew sent a distress signal and attempted to land on a different runway. The plane touched down three minutes later without lowering its [landing gear].
The article said only the nose gear was up but according to the video his mains were also up.
Normally, if you lose an engine on departure (which is essentially what happened), yes you declare an emergency and ask for vectors back to land but to be back on the runway 3 minutes later (according to CBS news) just doesn't make sense unless he lost total power, but he was coming in pretty fast for having no power after leaving the runway. There's protocols and checklists they have to go through which takes more than 3 minutes. If this was a regular departure and not a go around, they might be too heavy to land right away anyway so they'd have to go dump or burn fuel.
With the info at hand so far, it looks like this guy hit a bird, declared a mayday, and immediately turned back in a panic mode to land without going over all the emergency checklists or troubleshooting which would of had him also configure the airplane properly. He came in without any flaps and with his landing gear up, almost like he said "omg I hit something! I gotta land right now!". Of course there could be more info to this story that could change my analysis but these are even bigger questions than why was there a retaining wall there.
Sources:
Clean configuration upon gear-in landing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpdGTm5Z...
Birdstrike video at 8:00
https://youtu.be/DNFLCkoSPxI?si=G30eEUzu...
A Delta airlines commuter plane just flipped over upon landing on a slippery runway in Toronto.
It happened again sadly - Air India flight going to London. Miracle that there was a survivor and he seemed to walk out from the carnage like it was a movie. Plane just didn't get going (apparently both engines shut off) and just hanged in the air and fell about 1.5km from the runway. Tragic.
Don’t use the word Boeing are you could face an untimely death
not a photo from the crash, but...
you could hear this running in the crash video.
The survivor says the cabin lights started 'flickering green and white' just after take-off and the aircraft hung in the air and then went down.
Elsewhere he has been quoted as saying there was a 'sudden loud noise' before the stall.
likely a critical failure within the craft. speculation is something caused dual engine failure. that particular airframe had 40,000+ hours over 8000+ flights
first fatalities on a 787 ever
brutal stuff
Short of bird strikes do dual engine failures ever happen?
The survivor says the cabin lights started 'flickering green and white' just after take-off and the aircraft hung in the air and then went down.
Elsewhere he has been quoted as saying there was a 'sudden loud noise' before the stall.
The fact that he was the only survivor and walked away is unbelievable.Lucky dude
Unbreakable
Preliminary report was released stating that they pilots cut the fuel switches to both engines-- which they're trained to not too even in an engine out situation until the plane is safely flying.
Suicide?
Actually, they do use a fuel cutoff in a flameout situation... they also can do a 'cycling' of the fuel cutoff, but never on take off.
Reading some more on this and it's looking like suicide.
The fuel cut-off switches can't be inadvertently moved...they have to be pulled up first then moved in the cutoff position. On the cockpit voice recorder one of the pilots is heard asking the other why he moved them which he denies, and they aren't alleging any other mechanical issues.
Reading some more on this and it's looking like suicide.
The fuel cut-off switches can't be inadvertently moved...they have to be pulled up first then moved in the cutoff position. On the cockpit voice recorder one of the pilots is heard asking the other why he moved them which he denies, and they aren't alleging any other mechanical issues.
We may never know for certain whether it was a catastrophic error or intentional, but it doesn't seem like a mechanical failure. The fact that the switches were flipped one after the other immediately after takeoff seems suspicious. I assume that there would have been time to relight the engines if the switches had been flipped at 30,000 feet.
A few years ago the FAA found that some 787s had the fuel switches fitted without the locking device, so they could conceivably creep with vibration and might be liable to accidental touch. But at the moment it's not known if the accident aircraft was one of those 787s and it looks unpleasantly like deliberate action, probably by the captain.
It's the unmarried captain who was being socially pressured to retire to look after his widowed 90-year-old father, which would mark the depressing end of his own independent life. The much younger first officer was in charge of the take-off. Although the voices on the CVR have not been publicly identified, it's more likely that it is the first officer, the flying pilot at that time, who suddenly asks why the other pilot cut the fuel switches, which the other pilot (in the circumstances presumably lying) denies.
