77 counterfeit
Hi all,
5/10/25, we open $65, reg otb calls and straddle 3! $225 (3! KJo before), we both call. $1500 eff.
A99scd ($690). Checks through.
Turn: Ts. X x x.
River: As. Checks to btn who bets $350. Straddle folds and on us with 77. Easy fold right? Btn is tag.
Thanks,
DT
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Btn can check Ax all the way to the river but he could also turn suited broadways and low pocket-pairs into a bluff, especially after you and straddle both check river. If you chose to continue then shouldn't you be shoving rather than calling (i.e., fold out a trappy 9x and Tx for instance as well as avoid chopping with his air)?
I'd say 77 is a fold to the 3bet preflop at 60bb effective, especially with BN behind.
In terms of combos he has more bluffs than value right? 22-88, Kx Qx etc.
Would rather do almost anything different than bluff river, even if we have the 7s:
4bet pre or just fold.
Bet flop when checked to.
Bet turn when checked to again.
With the flush hitting but double pairing the board and checked through flop+turn I think bluffing ranges are difficult to guess. However having QsJs or Ax that got here is easy to bet/see.
Yes, although he's probably calling preflop with all his suited Ax, maybe some AJ-AQo. Question is how often he's turning all this air into bluffs? Generally on double-paired boards last to act is highly incentivised to bluff, especially if you have a nitty image and he believes you'll fold JJ or QQ (assuming you don't 4bet these preflop). BN's range actually looks similar to yours but he's in better position to bluff.
You have 60BBs preflop so jam or fold 77. The hand plays pretty poorly postflop at low SPRs.
As played turn you need to start bluffing.
River is just a fold if you decide to X down like this.
Calling the 3-bet with 77 this shallow is no bueno.
Probably not a bad spot to go for the x/r - I don't think he'd check the flop and turn with an Ace, but I also think if he had a hand like KJ he would probably bet somewhere after checked twice. Not sure what he does with JJ/QQ/TT/etc. I don't think it's a homerun spot but a profitable one.
i dont play this high, but i think calling pre is bad. as played pretty sure betting flop small to get called by KK and QQ and then jamming turn to get those hands to fold is printing
Caveat: I play at way lower stakes, so bare that in mind.
Pre: Marginal at best.
Flop: Fine
Turn Fine, though not opposed to a bet.
River: Sure his range has more bluffs than value here, but that's not the question. The question is his likelihood of bluffing into 2 people, and you've not told us anything about his tendenceis to bluff. In ths absecene of that information, I might be tempted to call this off with a K, Q, or J, but for a split pot, I think I make a sigh fold. Given I'm sure an Ace or 9 would bet before River, if I want to be a baller, I think check/raise is kinda cool, but hecka high variance.
I apologize to everyone who said fold pre but I got starting stacks wrong - I had more like 2500. Still close regardless and I agree with the sentiment. I was more inclined to peel given the light 3! Previously.
Even at 100bb effective it's tough to combat a 3bet that could be light with 77 --- it's not a great 4bet bluff hand and doesn't have much playability. Obviously it's easier to defend at this stack depth but I still believe it's a little marginal (let's keep in mind the size the 3.5x bet size is largish plus you still have BN behind). If you had a read on the Straddle's tendencies in 3bet pots and could see BN wasn't likely to continue then you could justify a defend. 2500 rather than 1500 eff makes a river rebluff easier to execute, perhaps, but still far from easy to execute (you're either hoping that BN has pure air or will believe you'd check 3 streets with top pair).
I think generally speaking its a fold pre but Dumbo is a great player and probably has a very good feel for his opponents postflop. The bigger your skill gap postflop the wider you can play generally speaking.
I probably just let it go pre unless I can take the lead post vs. these guys and bluff, outplay them, etc.
I'd probably bet somewhere, but now that we are here, I fold. However, a raise would be very sexy 😉 I'm just not sure he'll believe you. 100% depends on the player.
Hi all,
5/10/25, we open $65, reg otb calls and straddle 3! $225 (3! KJo before), we both call. $1500 eff.
A99scd ($690). Checks through.
Turn: Ts. X x x.
River: As. Checks to btn who bets $350. Straddle folds and on us with 77. Easy fold right? Btn is tag.
Thanks,
DT
Interested in results on this one DT.
River works better as a lead than as a x/r. You can do this with Tx for blockers and better SDV when it checks through. That is, if you want to take this line as a bluff at all. It feels like they're as likely to have the hand you're repping as you are and there are no big folds available with so much of their value hands being boats.
Not that a lead is all that likely to work either, so you probably need to go with a very small size to get the right price. I tend to bet earlier streets myself, which obviously leaves our options more open.