4b pot 330bb deep
Ignition - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
Hero (BTN): 338.1 BB
SB: 344.8 BB
BB: 47.4 BB
UTG: 106 BB
CO: 21.4 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7♠ 8♣ A♠ 6♣
fold, fold, Hero raises to 3.5 BB, SB raises to 11.5 BB, fold, Hero raises to 35.5 BB, SB calls 24 BB
Flop: (72 BB, 2 players) Q♣ Q♥ T♣
SB checks, Hero bets 22.8 BB, SB calls 22.8 BB
Turn: (117.6 BB, 2 players) 4♣
SB checks, Hero checks
River: (117.6 BB, 2 players) 3♦
SB bets 79.9 BB, Hero calls 79.9 BB,
SB plays GTO frequencies, so I'm expecting him to 3b more than AA. Solver approves my 4bet.
However, I don't have access to 300bb post-flop sims.
I feel QQT is better for 3b range, because he has more Qxxx. At 100bb, the solver is shoving most of my 4b range. But at 330bb deep, should I check-back this flop with just a weak FD? When I get raised, I'm in terrible shape.
On the turn, I didn't believe I could get 2 streets of value with my weak flush, so I check-back. But I think this was a mistake. I should have b50 to get value/ protection against naked Qxxx? What happens if I get raised, do I need to fold on the turn?
On the river, I have no choice but to call? I feel like this hand was a disaster.
8 Replies
Checking solver for 200bb it is never 4b this 200bb deep in this spot. Not a fan of it really regardless of what solver says bc in practice we are just getting 3b by slightly better hands that are gonna flop better wraps vs us....JT97, AJT9, as well as a bunch of other big card hands.
We lose a fair bit of the playability of our hand and will have some tough decisions if we try to pot control and face a pot bet on the next street
As played I think betting around 40bb on turn and check back river works better for our hand vs his range. We charge Qxxx to draw, we aren't going to very easily get a hand like KK98ds with clubs fold at any point and we don't really have a hand we want to face a PSB on river if we check back
He's not going to have AAxx dry Ac bc he didn't 5b pf, we're just unlikely to see any hands that can really be turning itself into a bluff other than like KKJx with Kc
I'd just go ahead and fold river even tho it feels gross I just don't expect we're gonna run into enough bluffs and he can pot K high flush+ here on the river. I would only really consider a call if I know he's a complete maniac and even then I think you're beat a lot
Don't like the 4b pre. Not a strong enough hand, you'll have to fold to a 5b, bring in position means you want a smaller pot to use your positional advantage.
As played I like flop sizing and turn check and just fold the river.
SB plays GTO frequencies at 5 cent/10 cent plo? Doubtful. Frankly the SB should be 3 betting here very tight 340 bb deep OOP - this is a much different spot than 100 bb deep. Would call the 3b. I think I would prefer a smaller turn bet for protection - really don't want to give wraps a free card or Qx. I think how this was played I would call the river - I'd imagine he has a lot of broadway cards he 3 bets with and all the wrap/straight draw combos missed. We block clubs of course and our perceived range looks insanely weak.
To be clear, we aren’t 4b this hand in this spot very deep. Few things to keep in mind:
We 4b less IP very deep as we benefit from a high SPR stab game over multiple streets to put the OOP player in tough spots and force them to make multi street decisions to realize their equity. As a result, we will overrealize our equity. Lowering the SPR is a detriment to us and only benefits the OOP player so we need a very good reason to do so. We are closing action heads up and have great playability while pushing very lil equity and should have easy decisions post flop most of the time. Slam dunk call. This is also congruent with the solver for this hand this deep. Had we had a cold call from the BB we can entertain 4b.
We have to think about an SB 3b into 4b call range on this board. As discussed, AA would benefit from lowering SPR and reducing their OOP disadvantage so they would 5B with impunity here with 100% of their AA range. This is congruent with the solver. Therefore if we remove all AA, that leaves only the best DS rundowns and DS pairs. We need to understand this as we go to the flop and then understand how our opponent is deviating from this if he is, so we can know how to exploit.
This board is a mixed bag. It hits both ranges and should be competitive. In theory OOP has some small leads so first thing we need to decide is if our opponent is ever leading in practice. If the answer is no then we reduce our betting frequency and check more IP. If the answer is yes then we bet most our range here for a small sizing IP. It’s up to you to figure out the pool/player tendency.
I don’t mind betting here with this hand in particular to deny equity from random hands that just beat us so far and us having no SD. Turn I like a check both in theory and from our hand. Our hand is very weak and benefits greatly from getting to showdown as quickly and cheaply as possible. We do not want to bloat any further and cannot play for stacks.
Should we face a bet on river given sizing we have a clear just call to small sizings and majority fold to large sizings. We have no relevant pair blockers or flush blockers and someone would have to be turning a naked Q into a bluff to win. If you think someone would be betting a Q for VALUE tho we can widen a few pips and call some more flushes but even then I think we have much better flushes to call with that also block pairs.
Checking solver for 200bb it is never 4b this 200bb deep in this spot. Not a fan of it really regardless of what solver says bc in practice we are just getting 3b by slightly better hands that are gonna flop better wraps vs us....JT97, AJT9, as well as a bunch of other big card hands.We lose a fair bit of the playability of our hand and will have some tough decisions if we try
Good analysis. I should have realized he's unlikely to have bluffs because he would 5b AAc preflop.
Don't like the 4b pre. Not a strong enough hand, you'll have to fold to a 5b, bring in position means you want a smaller pot to use your positional advantage.
As played I like flop sizing and turn check and just fold the river.
Would it be a mistake to b50 on the turn targeting Qxxx, then fold to any raise/ river lead?
To be clear, we aren't 4b this hand in this spot very deep. Few things to keep in mind:We 4b less IP very deep as we benefit from a high SPR stab game over multiple streets to put the OOP player in tough spots and force them to make multi street decisions to realize their equity. As a result, we will overrealize our equity. Lowering the SPR is a detriment to us and only benefit
Yes, a pair blocker would have made my river call better. Even though my hand is super weak, would it be okay to bet/fold the turn for protection against Qxxx?
Reveal: He flopped a FH with J♦ T♥ Q♦ A♦ (He should have folded pre)
We don’t ever bet for protection.
We bet for value or for a bluff/deny equity
Betting the turn with your hand would be for value from a naked Q.
But
We also have to factor in he should have more flushes than us since majority of his range is double suited.
On flush completing turns in 3b and 4b pots the aggressor checks more as the caller should have more DS hands in theory and therefore more flushes. Your hand isn’t good enough to bet for value and it’s not bad enough to bluff or deny equity.
Check it down and realize all your equity if you can.
Protection and denial of equity mean the same thing.
I think flop check is likely preferred, SB range interacts well with this board, while Hero BTN can get aggro much wider this depth. Very poor visibility with small flush cards, trying to get to showdown cheap seems fine, or we can polarize a bluff on a later street.
