Looking for analysis for DbPLO BP hand

Split pot games are are often about the nuts. Also in split pot games it is relevant if you have the "only nuts" that can't be tied therefore you can't get quartered. A nut flush cannot be tied and scoops it's portion of the board. A nut straight can be tied and can get you quartered for that portion of the board. Keep "only nut" in the back of your head. You don't have the "only nuts" or even the nuts on either board, therefore raising is probably a bad idea. Raising without the nuts in split pot games against a large field is no bueno. Call or fold here, but never raise. There is a lot more to the game, but if you only learn one thing about DBBP, learn the thing about nuts and "only nuts."

Be careful talking strategy with your buddy then, why would we ever fold here? I mean raising would probably even be better than folding tho super high variance but at least we have the added bonus of getting a dry K high FD to fold.

Either way we have plenty of equity to call, we're drawing to the nuts on only 1 board but when we hit it we can lead out big and we will be able to fold out A/K high FD on the other board if it doesn't come in on the turn assuming it's not A5xxdd

#1 OP described the game as "loose" therefore I don't necessarily see the OP being able to fold out nut and second nut flush draws from the five villains in hand who also probably have other components of made hands or draws to go with their better flush draws.

#2 Full houses are not "only nuts." This is a split pot game and making a nut, but not "only nut" hand and shoving a lot of money in is a painful way to lose a lot when quartered. Also, just for grins...

Hero has QdJd8S6c. On the flop is Hero ahead or behind a random Qxxx hand? Behind. And on blank turns Hero falls even further behind.

This DBBP hand isn't a nice money maker for Hero. And many players will get themselves in a lot of trouble by the river making a $5 or $50 flop decision into a mistake to the tune of hundreds of dollars. Sure, call the $45 on flop, especially closing the action. But at no point should hero be looking to bet a lot of money here unless he makes the "only nuts." And the "only nuts" on the top board is if Hero's flopped Queen high flush draw becomes the nut flush (rare) or on the bottom board the Hero's trip Queens becomes quad Queens (rare).

We have a good hand, period. It's a clear call. A lot of good things can happen for us on the turn if we boat up, people put money in really bad in these games on only 1 board and sometimes on only 1 board still drawing. We either boat up or we don't and the turn will be very easy to play

It’s somewhat likely we have very little equity on top but we have a nice nut draw on bottom. No need to make any big decisions closing the action, just call and play turns.

While technically true, not really in practice. We heavily block other boats if we boat up on turn....meanwhile there are 2 straights on the other board possible with practically no blocker effect which means we can often get 1/2 the pot in these spots while you can have 2 guys piling money in with the same straight when the turn blanks on their board

Are there any good resources for learning DBBP? Also, are there any online sites that offer microstakes DBBP?

This time I highlighted OP describing the game as passive.

I'm not sure what you mean by, "piling money in." That sounds active not passive. There are no signs of people betting and raising piling money in.

Furthermore, your practice example happens less than 25% of the time. The Hero on the bottom board, boats up or better on the turn with one Q, three J's, three 8's and three 6's. That is 10 cards out of the 42 unseen cards for less than a 25% occurrence. And your practice example is a one-two teddy of also needing that top board to blank. So your practice example happens less than 25% of the time. And that doesn't even count the times that Hero ties his full house with another player getting quartered further reducing your in practice example to quite a bit less than 25% of the time. And the times the Hero did make a boat, hero has hole cards of QJ86, yup J86, any villain with a Q is still drawing to a their side cards depending if they have a side cards of A, K, T, 9, 7 some of which they almost have to have as cards 4, 3, 2 type cards are already on the board. The real practice is what happens over 75% of the time when Hero doesn't boat up on the turn. OP has already shown confusion as to the best way to play the hand. Even another poster in this thread has asked how do you play DBBP better. In practice this confusion is going to continue on the turn even though you have several times tried to say the turn will be easy for OP to play. Many players in OP position are going to be getting themselves in trouble here and there is still a gray zone medium sized SPR of 5 and a lot of money left to play for in everyone's stack.

You can type as many sentences as you want but the raw facts of how dbbp games play is that when there are 5 people going to a turn and you're drawing to the nut boat, and there is 2 possible straights on the other board....having the straight is the sucker hand and having the boat is the desired outcome. We close the action, we have a clear call to see if we boat up...doing anything else would be pretty bad.

I've seen enough straights get 1/4'd or 1/6'd and seen more than a few times where on a "safe turn" one of the callers in the field jam their straight for "protection" only to get crying called by the other straight and ship a huge pot to whoever is on the other board. Then the player with the straight berates the raiser or says "I knew you had the same straight but I can't fold" etc...

Boats are a strong hand in dbbp, straights are not. We are not completely invulnerable to being 1/4'd here...ok that's how the game works but we're in a great position if we boat the turn and the turn blanks on the other board. We can lead out and UTG may have 33 which he won't fold, the NFD may call and then a straight raises behind, 2 straights get involved and 1 raises, etc

You can type as many words as you want to try and dance around the facts. Now you are on to some major discussion about straights on the other board hoping that this loose passive game, by OP's description, turns into a gift giving game where they now start piling money in on the the less than 25% of the times you hit a turn boat on the other board and there is a blank turn on the top board. Wish casters are gonna wish cast.

The way split pot games are played is about the nuts and more importantly the"only nuts." Your bullcrap posts still are defying the reality that those straights you have switching your attention to are not "only nuts." And neither is the Hero having the "only nuts."

I've played an insane amount of DBBP hands and can tell you that your theoretical approach of needing "only nuts" hands to continue is incredibly far removed from the reality of how these games play

Good luck with your approach to the game and putting massive emphasis and importance on the description "loose passive" in a game that likely is only playing 2 DBBP hands per hour. I've already seen my approach work over a large sample of hands and seen the absurd hands people are willing to get to SD with and stick lots of $$ in with

All you had left after you were called out as wrong was to go from, "while technically true, not really in practice." Your doubling down and then tripling down on saying that in six handed split pot situation, in a loose passive game, where some has a straight of all things, lol, where someone can get quartered OR WORSE, they are going to start piling money in is laughable.

Your lack of experience in these games shows. I've literally watched it happen multiple times per night every session I played. I had a guy ship $3k vs my nut/nut on the turn dead bc he "thought" he had top set on 1 board only(he was still losing to the nut straight which I had and would have needed the board to pair) but when he turned over his hand he actually had nothing and it was the previous hand where he had KKxx which would have been top set.

I can't even begin to tell you how bad I saw people pile in money night after night....but keep playing "theoretically correct", I'm sure you'll do well in a game you have to ante every hand.

The reality is that when all of the craziness happens in a DBBP game, it usually happens on the flop where 9 players think they are good and raise and re-raise poorly. Your story telling here is off trying to change the narrative here to piling money in on the turn. Your bad advice on how to play DBBP isn't going unnoticed. Anything else by you in this thread is noise. The take away from this thread for anyone wanting to learn DBBP is...

the nuts and more importantly the "only nuts."

I see why no one seems to get along well with you on here. Enjoy your journey of being right on 2p2, it's however not going to actually make you more money in the games you're posting about

Vasaline Jelly is in Aisle 7 is you are now feeling butthurt. No one told you to keep doubling down and tripling down and constantly changing your narrative to try and be right here when it isn't what the OP or others need to learn DBBP.

You end up in these spats in every thread you post. Either it's bc you have the ultimate poker knowledge and most of the other posters in this forum are wrong or you studied a bit of poker theory but haven't actually played much in any of these games you post about

Gee I wonder which it is....

the nuts and more importantly the "only nuts."

Everyone in this thread watched you try to deny the realities of DBBP. This was an unforced error by you dobling down, then tripling down and then changing the narrative too many times to count. But cool story bro. Now that you are again trying to change the narrativwe of this thread. I'm fine with my contribution that has stayed the same from post one...

the nuts and more importantly the "only nuts."

Ok wow....so anyways we call flop. What's the turn?

Lucid is right here. In a game with only occasional dbbp the players stack off incredibly light and we want the boat, not the straight. We might even be free rolling for a scoop. Call flop.

Right about what? His story has changed several times. There was a version of bet to fold out nut and second nut flush draws even though OP described game as loose and there are 5 villain on the flop. There was a version about agression even though the OP describe game as passive. And the in practice that didn't point out that that practice of making a full house on the turn only happens 25% of the time and that needs to be multiple by the times it is a blank on the other board and that needs to be multiplied by the times that another has same full house. Without anyone calling Lucid out it wouldn't be obvious to most this occurence happens way less than 25% of the time...in practice. Then after that was a fail, there is now this theory on straights playing too agressive although only one player has ever bet so far and got 4 caller, no raisers.

No one is saying that it isn't a flop call, especially closing the action.

What is it if Hero call flop, which no one is saying not to do,

a turn pot of about $270 and

everyone has about $1450 behind

Oh yeah now everyone starts playing bad and, "piling it in" (one of Lucid's versions) and they are doing it light on other board but not having Hero and his board somehow be in bad shape. Or Hero is in good shape because this version of reality is only being discussed about something that happens way less than 25% of the time?

My "story changed"....aka I listed various possibilities that can occur on different turns. Such as we boat the turn, lead pot and the K high FD folds on a blank turn and clears up our outs on the river. Yes, that's a possibility. Welcome to thinking like a poker player and considering multiple options that can occur

It's great that you study the game blue.feet and like to post about it to get better but you need to actually jump in the games from time to time and get some real experience so you have a clue what they play like and you can speak from actual experience

Instead of going to war with all the posters in this forum that actually play these games arguing that your conceptual way of thinking is more applicable than people who are making adjustments to how the games actually play....you could take a step back and save yourself hundreds of hours of mistakes you're going to make with your approach

So you are saying hyou didn't get that Vasaline Jelly yet, because the ad homein stuff trying to inply I don't play is funny and no one is buying it. But that are seeing you don't no **** about DBBP strategy other than to gravitate to a wish casting less than 25% occurence