Looking for analysis for DbPLO BP hand

How many times has Lucid moved the goal posts?

#1 There was the you can force out the nut and second nut flush draws only to told the game is loose.

#2 Then he moved the goal posts again to the hero makes a full house that only happens less than 25% of the time.

#3 And then the goal post get moved again because even though the SPR is 5.5 magically the players are going to stack off light with a straight. You know those straights that are not "only nut" hands and get quartered for that $1450 people have left in their stack after only committing $50 so far.

Lucid, I've played more DBBP than you. And I've clearly played more Omaha high low than you and I understand split pot games while you carry on moving the goal post each time you are shown to be saying things that only benfit your narrative instead of how to play DBBP.

Everyone who has sharpened their sword on the felt can recognize the other posters here who have done the same. Your posts suck pretty much universally. You'd be hard pressed to find a good regular poster here who thinks you make good posts. Your first 3 posts I read I literally said WTF to myself and started ignoring anything you posted for the last couple weeks. Not sure how I ended up engaging with you today tbh, guess I'm on my B- game today

Maybe 1 day you'll get your ego in check a little bit and actually use this forum to learn rather than to build a false sense of confidence that you clearly have no ability to back up at the tables. Until that day tho, it's your bankroll that will suffer so a few clueless posters will think you're half assed smart. No good players/posters here think you play in any of these games or have any real clue what you're talking about....sorry to burst your bubble

Cool story bro. I missed the part where you advance this thread. Oh yeah, you don't know squat about split pot games. You know how they are played? Wait for it...

the nuts and more importantly the "only nuts"

We are all thankful to not hear anything else from since you don't know crap about split pot games. The OP or other who asked in this thread about DBBP can now concentrate on the most important thing about split pot games which is...

the nuts and more importantly the "only nuts"

^^^

Full blown meltdown and complete loss of respect on display. He lasted 19 minutes before his clear lack of impulse control showed itself.

Hero hand is absolutely strong enough to lead flop, Q is the key blocker and we have equity on the other board. Not to mention the 6 is also a very important card.
**Not just the Q, the Qd means if someone else has a Q they are less likely to have a diamond flush draw with it.

as played flop call looks good.

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I'm going to "potentially" disagree with you here based on information I don't know, but suspect might be relevant based on OP saying he isn't a PLO guy.

Regular PLO Omaha games almost always use PLO for the double board bomb pot, but here is the thing, I've heard that in some No Limit Hold'em games, the player holding the button gets to decide whether the double board bomb pot plays as NLH or PLO. Or even if it is a regular NLH game, the DBBP hand is always PLO. So from OP saying he isn't a PLO player, I think this might be a normal NLH game and it is a bit of a heavy lift to expect OP (a NLH player) to play well in PLO deep out of position from the BB leading on the flop into 7 players. My KISS Method, Keep It Short & Simple, would suggest to OP and to many less skilled would be to not lead in DBBP from early or middle position and instead use a check-raising strategy. A check-raising strategy for someone not knowing much here could be to, wait for it, check-raise the nuts and/or the "only nut" hands.

We do no leading in DBBP. When we have uncapped ranges we never lead from OOP and if we do it’s for extremely small sizing.

If we want to bet this hand it would be with a check raise.

That’s more enticing as we block 65, have live outs on bottom and can in theory get naked NFD to fold top since they should not have anything on the bottom very often with us holding a Q. A XR will also get hands like A5 to fold up top.

Leading is def a no no though and if the flop checks through we need to go into passive mode on a multitude of turns.

I just trying to be nice and politically correct and massage the point about not leading. Cool to get some backup on this stuff.

Can you elaborate on why being uncapped means we shouldn't lead?

I agree leads should be on the smaller side in theory, though in live play, I think we can comfortable size larger based on opponents not understanding that, and calling too light in general.

I have a suspicion you are trying to apply theory from single-board omaha to double boards in a way that doesn't account for all of the differences. Even if your theory is correct, all the action on the flop clearly suggests there is a lot more value from a lead than there would be in solver-approved lines (5 players with only 1 boat of Q3 or 33 possible).

I don't think this is the correct hand to XR in a lot of scenarios, but it really depends on how the action goes and sizing. Hero hand here is really too strong to turn into a bluff by XR, and also folds out too many hands we want to keep in the pot (for now). Hero hand also blocks too many good betting hands from villain (from a technical standpoint).

Running some sims:

Hero has ~46% equity on QQx board, but only 14% equity on 234dd.

Another player has Q quite frequently, about 75% of the time. A set of 33 out there closer to 5% of the time.

Hero is almost a pure flip vs other Qxxx range over two boards.

It is because Hero is flipping vs other Qxxx that taking the initiative is valuable and can help Hero overrealize his equity. And we really want to charge players to realize their equity with weak hands.

Monikrazy, actually your three posts are the ones that read like you are trying to apply single board ideas to double board. And maybe calling it split pot instead of double board is the best wording to help people see some of the differences because the pot is always being split. And that split is going to crush Hero. You are both trying to show how close it is between Hero and a random Qxxx, again something I already brought up, but you are then trying to say that this other Q is going to be scared enough of Hero to get this other Q to fold which is wrong.

I'm not sure a great example, but maybe my example here will have the most understanding from viewers, In Omaha high low anyone with A2 is in no way going to be able to push out another A2. All they are going to do is get quartered because one of them pushed that action too much. This is a weak example, but my guess is anyone here that has played O8 was nodding as they read it. You thinking you are going to push out another Q hand is wrong and even more wrong in a loose passive game like OP described it.

Also again I pointed many things out here already one way or another, Hero is the big blind. DBBP position is huge. In this battle where Hero is flipping with another Q, it is the Q that is in position almost always here.

Also, I already pointed out the money already in versus left to play. Starting stacks were $1,500. At either a $5 preflop contribution or a $50 flop contribution, either one, There is still $1450+ in everyone's stack and that is a huge mistake to be "piling money" in because that money being piled in can be getting quartered or worse the whole time. Hero doesn't even have the nuts.

All of this I covered with one overarching idea...the nuts and more importantly the "only nuts."

Monikrazy, here is the answer to your questions in written form and spoken form. Read it and also listen to the 2 minutes and 10 seconds.

https://upswingpoker.com/double-board-plo-bomb-pots/

Upswing Poker

3 Tips for Playing Double Board PLO Bomb Pots

For anyone not wanting to click, read or listen, guess what tip #1 was....

Tip #1 – Never bet on the flop out of position
In PLO bomb pots, you should never bet the flop from any position other than the Cutoff or Button.

When you have a hand worthy of betting from an earlier position, you should instead look to check-raise.

The reason for this is that when everyone gets to the flop with four random cards, ranges are very competitive. When ranges are competitive, position plays a massive role because you get to see how other players act before you. To counteract this advantage and keep your range uncapped, it is best to check everything from the early positions and proceed from there.

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Tip#2 talks about not getting yourself in trouble without the nuts.

Does Hero have the nuts in this thread? Nope. It would be so much better if Hero had...
the nuts and more importantly the "only nuts."

I would treat this hand the same way I would treat in regular PLO, if I had 9875 in the BB and saw the flop on 954r with a few limpers. I like my hand but I'm not looking to lead or c/r the flop in this spot. I really just want to boat/straight the turn as cheaply as possible