Show One, Show All, Etiquette
Under what circumstances, can I ask to see a hand if neighbors are showing to each other (without most reasonable persons getting their panties in a bunch because I asked)
I'll give 2 recent examples:
a. I check call flop 3 way.
Turn goes Ck Ck
River, Ck bet I fold.
He shows his neighbor the hand. I'm new at the table. I ask to see the hand.
b. I'm playing in a game and there was a 3 bet, 4 bet, and a call playing PLO:
Flop is A J 4 Rainbow. PF caller checks, the 4 bettor bets big. The caller tanks, then he shows the 4 bettor what his hand was. Then he folds
I ask to see what he has, and he says jacks and the dealer tuns over 2 cards only (JJ). I say, he showed the hand to his neighbor just flip the cards over please (asking the dealer). Then the dealer shows the full hand.
c. They are showing their cards for multiple hands in a session, to a friend or to more than one friend at the table. All are winning players.
Thank you!
Under what circumstances, can I ask to see a hand if neighbors are showing to each other
When you where dealt into the hand and it is over.
Now let me ask a rhetorical one question--under what circumstances are you an A-hole for asking for that? Nearly all.
I sometimes ask to see a hand if I think it would help me understand the player's range based on the last actions.
Typically though I don't ask.
I sometimes ask to see a hand if I think it would help me understand the player's range based on the last actions.
Typically though I don't ask.
Makes sense.
In my example one, I folded to this guy and he showed his holding to his neighbor.
Board was K Q 4 A X
I checked called flop Pot Sized bet, 3 way
Turn goes check, check heads up
River Check, he bets 2/3 pot, and I fold (I had King Ten)
I asked to see what he had. He showed Q 4 suited. So, then I realized that he called my PF raise with that. And this also tells me that I made a good fold on the river.
When you where dealt into the hand and it is over.
Now let me ask a rhetorical one question--under what circumstances are you an A-hole for asking for that? Nearly all.
Incorrect.
I wouldn't ask to see the hand of a fun losing player, but if one good player is shows his cards to another good player more than once, I'm very likely to ask. Really I'm hoping that will just stop them from doing it anymore. They're being the a-holes, not me. They know that the game is supposed to be one player per hand and that it's not fair for some players to have more info than others.
A few times I've played with a dealer who will, if any hand is shown to another player, turn the hand up briefly at the end of the hand before mucking it. This is great and how it should always be handled IMO.
Players shouldn't be forced to ask just to play in a fair game.
Incorrect...
You wrote a lot of words after that, but none supporting that assertion. In fact, I think your missive after that word reinforced my answer.
Care to explain how I was incorrect.
If you don’t mind people hating you, ask to see the hand. Maybe you need to just embrace your villain status and stop worrying about proper etiquette.
You wrote a lot of words after that, but none supporting that assertion. In fact, I think your missive after that word reinforced my answer.
Care to explain how I was incorrect.
You were wrong that wanting to play by the rules nearly always makes you an A-hole.
The A-holes are the ones who deliberately violate the rules.
1. You forget that poker is a social game.
2. A player showing another player thier hand after the hand is over is not against the rules.
One player per hand is a rule, and players often show their cards before the hand is over.
And no, I didn't forget anything about poker. Two winning players showing their hands to each other are very unlikely to be doing it for social reasons - they came to make money, not no socialize.
I already said if a fun losing player is the one doing it there's no reason to invoke the rule.
it should be show one show all. If i'm dealing and someone shows someone else, I grab the cards and table the hand.. or I announce "ACE SHOWN"
it should be show one show all. If i'm dealing and someone shows someone else, I grab the cards and table the hand.. or I announce "ACE SHOWN"
Let’s add some more context and tell us how you handle it. There is a specified way for each.
1. A bets. B folds. Action on C but A shows B before C acts. As a dealer what should you do?
2. A bets. B calls. Action on C but for some reason A shows B. As a dealer what should you do?
3. A bets. B calls. C calls. Now for some reason A shows C. As dealer what should you do?
4. A bets. B calls. C folds. C shows cards to D who folded earlier. As dealer what should you do?
Let’s add some more context and tell us how you handle it. There is a specified way for each.1. A bets. B folds. Action on C but A shows B before C acts. As a dealer what should you do?2. A bets. B calls. Action on C but for some reason A shows B. As a dealer what should you do?3. A bets. B calls. C calls. Now for some reason A shows C. As dealer what should you do?4. A bets. B
TLDR
if a card if flashed to someone and i'm dealing It gets shown to everyone as am collecting the cards to reshuffle.
TLDR
if a card if flashed to someone and i'm dealing It gets shown to everyone as am collecting the cards to reshuffle.
Good to know but you realize this is wrong in most rooms. Why are you reshuffling for one exposed card. Give that player what would have been the first burn. Use the exposed card, face up, to cover the deck until it becomes the burn. But yes, everyone gets to see it.
Good to know but you realize this is wrong in most rooms. Why are you reshuffling for one exposed card. Give that player what would have been the first burn. Use the exposed card, face up, to cover the deck until it becomes the burn. But yes, everyone gets to see it.
That's not what he was talking about.
He means that if someone shows his cards to another player at some point in the hand, he's going to show it to everyone when the hand is over, instead of waiting for the Show One Show All request.
I wish all dealers would do this.
That's not what he was talking about.
He means that if someone shows his cards to another player at some point in the hand, he's going to show it to everyone when the hand is over, instead of waiting for the Show One Show All request.
I wish all dealers would do this.
If this is what was meant, I 1000% agree. The dealer doing this w/o a player prompting him to enforce show one/show all will routinely get an extra tip from me.
If dealers would just do this routinely, doesn't even need to be universal, the whole practice would stop. But honestly very few dealers I see do this on their own.
I will add that the wording was quite strange since why is he collecting the cards to reshuffle? Most of the cards are already collected as discarded/folded. And why is he REshuffling vs. just shuffling for the next hand. That is why I am not certain as to the actual intent. But if we assume your interpretation (which like I said, I really do like) is correct, I would ask him, what does he do if the cards are shared with neighbor on the flop and then folded but the hand isn't over? IIRC, RRoP actually has a 'procedure' for this. Something like hold them aside 'in the muck' and expose them after hand is over. (But I might be completely misremembering.)
Well, I assumed that was what he meant because the whole thread is about SOSA, and if he was talking about during the deal, there would be no need to show the card to everyone if you were calling it a misdeal. I could be wrong, but I think the "re' was just referring to the shuffle for the next hand.
Good to know but you realize this is wrong in most rooms. Why are you reshuffling for one exposed card. Give that player what would have been the first burn. Use the exposed card, face up, to cover the deck until it becomes the burn. But yes, everyone gets to see it.
I wasn't talking about reshuffling. I was talking about when they flash a card showing either a winning hand or a fold. Show one show all
I wasn't talking about reshuffling. I was talking about when they flash a card showing either a winning hand or a fold. Show one show all
Sorry that I read what you wrote instead of what you meant. My long distance psychic reader is out for a new flux capacitor.
You literally wrote reshuffle and whine because I read reshuffle.
You seem to want to confirm you are clueless and verbally sloppy.
If you mean shuffle then that is the word to use.
Let’s add some more context and tell us how you handle it. There is a specified way for each.1. A bets. B folds. Action on C but A shows B before C acts. As a dealer what should you do?2. A bets. B calls. Action on C but for some reason A shows B. As a dealer what should you do?3. A bets. B calls. C calls. Now for some reason A shows C. As dealer what should you do?4. A b
I don't know what the "correct" action should be but ...
1 & 4 I probably do nothing. Nobody still in the hand has seen the cards so it probably shouldn't have influenced the acton and nobody has been disadvantaged (unless B was crude enough to react in some way)
2 I would probably let C act and then show A's cards. I don't want to disadvantage B, who acted without knowledge of A's cards or give an unfair advantage to C by being able to act with knowledge that was unavailable to B (same thing said in different way)
3. Action is complete so I just make A show cards so everybody has same information.
I don't know what the rules are regarding intentionally prematurely exposing cards, but I would certainly apply them now for cases 2 and 3.
