Showdown: I have a "queen"
By the way, I read the archives posts "who shows first" and a few others regarding this topic.
I'm at showdown, and this player, who i don't know, but he seems on the tighter side, and I assumed he was a regular or winning player at the time.
We are on the river, and he calls out top pair. I say, I have you beat, but you need to show your full hand if you want to see what I have. I was actually trying to soften the blow that he was beat but to let him know I wanted to see his cards, if he's going to make me show my hand to the entire table.
This guy shows his full hand, and I table a better hand. Then he loses his mind. I call the floor guy over there. He tells us if there is any more arguing, we are both going to get kicked out. I told him I haven't said anything to this guy.
So, then the floor person leaves, and the guy still is going on for another couple of minutes, saying I'm a "bad person". I totally didn't reply other than to ask for the floor person to come over again.
And no, the dealer didn't help me out at all when the floor guy was there or during the hand to ask him to show his hand first.
The floor guy tells me if he has to come back, we are both out of there. I told him, I haven't said a word I'm just staying quiet over here. Then the "sore loser" or the guy who things I was being rude for asking him to show if he wanted to see my hand, is still complaining right in front of the floor person. The floor guy tells him if he's called over again, someone is going to have to leave.
So, by now, I'm reassessing this guy I'm in the pot with is some kind of a bad regular or a recreational player.
I'm up big on the day, I'm kind of uncomfortable so I left the room, given that I was told I can be kicked out if they come over there again, I didn't want to take any chances.
At this point, I'm reluctant to make anybody show their cards. Or perhaps to reserve asking for players that are winners that I play with on a regular basis. It's not like I always ask to see what people's cards are. I do feel like it's reasonable for me to be able to ask if I want to do it, without being subjected to verbal abuse. Maybe next time instead of calling the floor I could leave the table and talk to them off table. Seems like that could be more effective.
This is happening a lot at PLO. The guys show their 2 best cards out of 4 or 5 cards.
Is there a very tactful way I can get them to show their cards if I want to see what they have?
If someone announces a hand that I beat, I just show my hand. I do the same thing if someone says “you’re good.” The only exception is if the person is a known slow roller or a-hole, then I just sit there and do nothing until they show or muck their cards. The way you’re doing it, while within your rights, is anti social and will not make you friends at the table. It may make people not want to play against you or go out of their way to play better (either against everyone or you specifically). That’s if they don’t quit. This is the type of thing many “pros” neglect and it costs them way more than they think. It also kills the vibe and action at the table many times.
This is the entire answer. No need to get in a pissing match with *******s - no matter what, you just get peed on.
Info from one hand is overrated. If you are playing with them enough for it to matter, you are already seeing how they play.
At this point it’s becoming clear this is an elaborate, and effective, troll job by the OP. If not, please for gods sake stop spamming this forum with so many new threads.
The floor is probably just tired of you causing problems at the table, even if you were technically right in this situation. Most people don’t cause issues every single time they are at the table but you do.
Stop worrying about the precise etiquette of the situation and start acting less antisocial or they will ban you from the room.
The floor is probably just tired of you causing problems at the table, even if you were technically right in this situation. Most people don’t cause issues every single time they are at the table but you do.
Stop worrying about the precise etiquette of the situation and start acting less antisocial or they will ban you from the room.
I'm traveling. I've never called the floor here before to complain about anyone.
I played 4 days, and then this happened on the 4th day.
At this point it’s becoming clear this is an elaborate, and effective, troll job by the OP. If not, please for gods sake stop spamming this forum with so many new threads.
Actually, I was backed up by a 2 + 2 coach in this thread about a week ago.
I'm not spamming.
If someone announces a hand that I beat, I just show my hand. I do the same thing if someone says “you’re good.” The only exception is if the person is a known slow roller or a-hole, then I just sit there and do nothing until they show or muck their cards. The way you’re doing it, while within your rights, is anti social and will not make you friends at the table. It may ma
I pretty much agree with what you're saying.
I'm going to adopt your approach for a while and see how it goes.
Thanks!
This is the entire answer. No need to get in a pissing match with *******s - no matter what, you just get peed on.
Info from one hand is overrated. If you are playing with them enough for it to matter, you are already seeing how they play.
Agree!
Unless someone makes me show them my hand at some point and I realize that's how they prefer to play, I'll adopt your approach.
(In the archives a lot of guys are saying they wait for others to show first).
Actually, I was backed up by a 2 + 2 coach in this thread about a week ago.
I'm not spamming.
I don't even need to click the link to know who this coach is. You might want to look at his history. Esp. a couple of years ago at MGMNH IIRC. He literally threatened (maybe did) slap a person with a restrain order for bad behavior but nothing deserving of that step. You should consider the source.
Seriously, you have posted about more petty situations in the last few weeks. If you are really having that many issues at the tables and they are like most of these threads, learn to chill. Don't fret the little things.
You called this floor over 3 times for effectively nothing. Sure the other player was acting poorly, but nothing that needed a floor intervention.
Agree!
Unless someone makes me show them my hand at some point and I realize that's how they prefer to play, I'll adopt your approach.
(In the archives a lot of guys are saying they wait for others to show first).
And generally those guys are told just show your cards and get to the next hand. As reiterated, generally, once you know or think you won, table the darn hand.
Now IF a player slow rolls you or "lies" about his hand (lower that actual, over stating is a different matter and deserves floor call) things are different. Heck, you should generally be first to show anyway since aggression is a good thing.
Stop calling the floor over just because you perceive someone is disrespecting you. Who cares if the opponent "goes off" on you or insults you? Unless he threatens you, just smile and ignore it. Clearly, whatever you perceive is happening to you isn't that bad if the dealer isn't jumping in to handle it.
Actually, I was backed up by a 2 + 2 coach in this thread about a week ago.
I'm not spamming.
At this point I would assume Kripalu1 is a troll spamming this forum with fake stories but DumbosTrunks asserts they have crossed paths and maybe even played in the same 5-5 PLO game with the same *******s. I’m having a hard time believing they can be in the same room at the same time without at least one floor person rage quitting and one of them getting kicked out. Can anyone besides DumbosTrunk confirm whether Kripalu1 is a real person?
Stop calling the floor over just because you perceive someone is disrespecting you. Who cares if the opponent "goes off" on you or insults you Unless he threatens you, just smile and ignore it. Clearly, whatever you perceive is happening to you isn't that bad if the dealer isn't jumping in to handle it.
The dealers are completely worthless a high percentage of the time at some of the places I've played at.
But the floor guy at this place had to be the worst floor person I have ever dealt with. He didn't even bother to ask what was going on. I stopped by on the way out and I talked to the other floor guy. The dealer should not have let me be put in the situation. She was supposed to ask the guy to show.
The POS who insulted me for simply playing by the rules was expected.
I don't even need to click the link to know who this coach is. You might want to look at his history. Esp. a couple of years ago at MGMNH IIRC. He literally threatened (maybe did) slap a person with a restrain order for bad behavior but nothing deserving of that step. You should consider the source.Seriously, you have posted about more petty situations in the last few weeks. If
He literally threatened (maybe did slap a person with a restrain order for bad behavior but nothing deserving of that step
I met the guy who had the restraining order put on him. He was a jerk. I'll confirm that. And also that guy was the one who killed the very friendly vibe we had going when i got to the game. The game ended up to breakng after I said I'm not going to straddle if you guys are going to be rude for no reason when I'm being super friendly and social.
Rather than repeat what happened last week from those jerks at MGM Harbor, I decided to call a floor guy this time. This floor guy turned out to be the worst floor guy I've ever met in my life.
Yes, I agree with what you said that I can let these POS run over me and ignore them. It's not a bad strategy. I think actually travelling it's more likely to encounter random people that are jerks. At my home Casino, nobody bothers me most of the time. I never had to call the floor on anyone there.
Also, I've been crushing the games, and I have an aggressive style, which tends to get under the skin of some persons at time
At this point I would assume Kripalu1 is a troll spamming this forum with fake stories but DumbosTrunks asserts they have crossed paths and maybe even played in the same 5-5 PLO game with the same *******s. I’m having a hard time believing they can be in the same room at the same time without at least one floor person rage quitting and one of them getting kicked out. Can
I don't have time to "troll". That's absurd.
Two plus two has declined so much over the years, but the haters haven't declined, they seem to have increased.
However, there are some good posters here in this section. I can appreciate that they had some good posters here.
Cheers!
Stop calling the floor over just because you perceive someone is disrespecting you. Who cares if the opponent "goes off" on you or insults you Unless he threatens you, just smile and ignore it. Clearly, whatever you perceive is happening to you isn't that bad if the dealer isn't jumping in to handle it.
I saw a way worse verbal abuse situation the day before where i was watching what was going on at the table. The dealer didn't help the guy out whatsoever at the table.
They cannot be relied upon. I completely disagree. Most of the floor people can be pretty fair at the places I usually play at in my experience.
But the purpose of my post here was specifically about a situation where someone tries to weasel out of showing their cards when they are first to act. I agreed that I would show next time to avoid this kind of situation developing in the first place! I'll show my cards.
Also, I've concluded that ignoring "difficult people" and not being reactive is a very viable option to take. That's what I'll aspire to do.
As long as you learn from what happened, it's a win.
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Guys, this is a dying forum with very few posts in the subforum. This guy is obviously fairly new to live poker and playing in a different country than his own.
Having several new threads isn't hurting anything. I miss this subforum bring busier end enjoy reading his posts. If you don't, it's very easy to just not look at them.
He definitely has mentioned doing some things at the table that seem inappropriate, but that's why he's asking. In this example, he said he's going to take the advice given here in the future. This is what the forum is here for.
At this point it’s becoming clear this is an elaborate, and effective, troll job by the OP. If not, please for gods sake stop spamming this forum with so many new threads.
Kripalu1 has single-handedly created more traffic than this sub-forum has seen in over a decade. But somehow, you see that as a bad thing.
Maybe don't click threads started by posters that trigger you.
But, if you do click on them and then choose to reply with vitriol like the above quote, then you are the spammer.
I'm going to try to be as respectful as I can when I say this. You've got literally like ten threads in this forum asking similar questions. At some point you've got to look at yourself and ask what you're doing to contribute to these situations?
Etiquette "rules" are generally just broad guidelines along the lines of the Golden rule, treat others how you would want to be treated. Maybe try to stop being so rule-oriented and take other peoples' feelings into account?
As they say, you meet an ******* during your day and they're an *******... You meet ten *******s during your day and you're an *******. No disrespect intended, but I think your issue might be more of a lack of self-awareness about how your actions affect others rather than not knowing any etiquette rules.
Also, maybe it would be appropriate to combine all these threads into one kripalu etiquette containment thread?
The floor is clearly an ******* who doesn't want to do his job. You can opt to be a vindictive Karen and complain to the floor's superior (or whoever's ass he has to kiss) that you were being verbally abused by another patron and instead of handling the abusive player, you were being threatened with being 86ed.
Or you can just laugh at the guy and get him riled up to tilt him to the max.
The other day I was playing PLO and a hand was at showdown. I was observing what's happening.
Seat 1 shows 2 of her cards.
Then seat 6 shows 2 cards, to make the best 5 card hand.
The dealer tells Seat 6 that he needs to show all 5 cards.
I asked, why does he need to show all 5 cards, because she only showed 2.
Am I wrong?
The floor is clearly an ******* who doesn't want to do his job. You can opt to be a vindictive Karen and complain to the floor's superior (or whoever's ass he has to kiss) that you were being verbally abused by another patron and instead of handling the abusive player, you were being threatened with being 86ed.Or you can just laugh at the guy and get him riled up to tilt him to
I think complaining about the floor guy would definitely be a mistake. That's really gong to be an uphill battle.
About the player, if you have rapport with the players, then they are much more likely to comply and not overreact.
Agree that finding the situation amusing could be valuable.
The other day I was playing PLO and a hand was at showdown. I was observing what's happening.
Seat 1 shows 2 of her cards.
Then seat 6 shows 2 cards, to make the best 5 card hand.
The dealer tells Seat 6 that he needs to show all 5 cards.
I asked, why does he need to show all 5 cards, because she only showed 2.
Am I wrong?
Because he is supposed to make the winning hand be completely shown and he's the only one who seems to be trying to show a winning hand.
A complete winning hand needs to be shown. A complete losing hand doesn't.
