4-bet pot with two yahoos

I recognize that this is a great set-up for a 4bet, but when expanding your 4bet range against these types of opponents, you should use a linear range. So you can 4bet for value with a wider range of hands like AQo, AJs/KQs, and TT/99. 4bet with Ace-Wheel suited can be good against a player who is 3betting a wide range and will fold appropriately with hands like AJo that dominate you. I don't think you are in that situation here though.

Post-flop I think you played this hand reasonably. River seems like a spot that would be pretty seriously underbluffed: 4bet pot, Ace high board, Triple broadway board, large sizing relative to the stakes of the game. I would never call here. Maybe you are thinking of turning your hand into a bluff? When he bets $250 on the river I think he is repping a straight or better, so I don't think I like it. Maybe he bet/folds two pair though.

Would never 4bet this especially once SB calls 25 and we know he's never folding. Flop sizing is good given the texture - they can't really raise you without having it. I'd fold on the river - you could still have sets checking the turn and I think on textures like this people play pretty straight forward given they usually have good SDV and the pot is big.

I think you played the whole thing well, might have gone slightly bigger on flop

Folding river , you aren’t beating much and you don’t really have any flushes here you can represent as a bluff

I'm not sure how "makes big folds pre" lines up with "turned up with 63s in a 3bet pot" but like others I agree it's generally played alright. 4bet feels a bit iffy but if you have a sizing tell on the 3bettor then it's not unreasonable. Postflop looks good.

River feels like fold > raise > call, you block Ax and wouldn't you get some flop check-raises from hands like QJ that you could get to fold?

Definitely folding river. I understand the 4b but these guys aren’t folding which takes away the main reason to 4b.

Fold river.

Probably never 4betting with a3s live since ppl don't fold to 4bets live period.

I rather do it with 99+/aq+ for value against ppl who 3bet super light.

Given the reads and HH, I'm never opening A3s nevermind 4bet.

Postflop could maybe make the case that turn is a bet, given V's actions previously with a flush draw (seems very likely he'd raise flop with K or T high flush draws).

River just sucks, maybe he's overvaluing two pair but I wouldn't assume it and assume he can fold it.

A3s just isn't a good hand to build a pot with against players who call too wide. You aren't really pushing an equity advantage and you flop poorly. Axx flops either you're behind to or your opponents see the ace and x/f. You're probably better off having 78s instead of A3s from a playability perspective.

id limp pre, i wouldnt 4b, i wouldnt bet the flop, and i wouldnt call the river, but otherwise i play it like you.

raising this hand in HJ here is only good if you have a bunch of nits behind you, which you dont have. id rather limp, have someone behind raise, and then call closing the action with best absolute relative position.

Don't 3bet pre, don't bet the flop, don't call the river. Lol at people saying to not open HJ tho.

misread action thought there was a limper, obv opening is fine

um excuse me yahoos is culturally insensitive

I saw it wasn't limped the first time.
Also saw that there was a lot of gambling going on and nobody is folding anything anywhere for any amount.

Everyone is free to read a preflop chart saying A3s is a pure open in HJ for 2-2.5bb and then extrapolate that to say A3s should be opened for 3bb+ when we are always seeing a flop and people are cold calling 7 high to 3bets and then donk open shoving with bottom pair + FD.

I'm sure it'll be fine, as long as you run like god.

probably just got unlucky man

Preflop, pretty standard raise with A3s and you have to call the small 3!. Limping or folding initially may seem weak, but are also OK. 4! is terrible. Even though he is loose probably 4! JJ+/AK.

The purpose of 4-betting like is to get folds preflop or postflop when they are afraid you have a big pair or AK. Against this kind of 1/3 player, that doesn't work. Then you want to get action for your value 4!s and deception that you don't have the expected type of hand. Again, those issues are not important versus loose/passive 1/3 donks.

I would open limp the HJ.

With no FE against these jokers, I have no idea why we are purposely creating a terrible SPR of 1.5 with this hand by 4betting. Even calling the 3bet OOP is dicey but at least it would be to a somewhat playable SPR. Limit wide 4bets to those who can fold QQ/JJ face up, not those who are continuing with everything (most of which actually has perfectly fair equity against A3soooted), imo.

I mean, with this SPR and this drawy a board against these guys I think you could actually argue for an open ship on this flop and simply sleep in the bed we made preflop. Was going to say I don't even understand what a lol 1/7th PSB accomplishes... until I realized the 3better folded to it, lol.

Cool with sigh checking back this terrible turn.

By the river pretty much every draw got there and is he really betting a showdownable 2nd/etc. pear into a bluff?

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Yeah, you need people who are not 3!ing like KK+ and will fold to the 4! putting you on KK+ for this to work.

The flop favors your range, but is dripping wet. Cbetting 15% pot on that sort of board is ridiculous and probably throwing away money. I would just give up on the flop. This is going to hit them somehow. You have TPNK and it is hard to improve.

It isn't all that bad a situation when you get the calls before the flop hits. The 4! doesn't lose that much considering all flops and considering you might take it down or get HU. You can bet the flop, shove the turn with a flush draw, representing a big pair, etc. There are some dry board you might miss and can maybe cbet and barrel, representing a big preflop hand. However, I would give it up on wet flops you don't hit hard, like this one.

Initially, it is fine to limp rather than raise.

Oh, please. Stop this.

I don't know what the 50 bet on the flop is. Would you bet 50 on AQJ 2-flush with AA/QQ/JJ/AK/AQ? You aren't likely betting tiny on a wet board with any good made hand or draw. If you had bet 200, you probably would have taken it down against their actual holdings. Probably check and give up is better because the board is so wet, but there are arguments for a real cbet, as you can continue to represent AA.

With this hand and preflop action, maybe 15% of flops you have some draw you can semibluff with. Then you can bluff on dry flops that favor your range. And occasionally you hit the flop hard. I would generally give up on wet flops. This flop is really wet, but is great for AA and a lot of other possible 4! hands, so it is somewhat close whether to cbet. I wouldn't bet tiny on a wet flop with any preflop action or hand.

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From OP's posts, maybe his image is partly why he didn't get folds to his 4!.