Moderation Questions

luc gets it

that's why i keep telling these guys they are in a cult - if you don't agree with us on 100% of issues then you are an evil fascist!

and the very notion that you think i don't predominantly date liberals or that the women who made it clear they wouldn't want me masturbating were conservative just shows how out of touch you are

frankly, it's beyond obtuse to try to break down the world into the us vs them binary dichotomy you break it down into where YOU don't mind your partner watching porn so you think anyone who would must be maga because you're such an idiotic zealot that you can't comprehend the existence of diversity

you always talk about promoting diversity - but that's not actually what you want - you want a monoculture that follows your own specific rules and norms for society

you are a cancer and exactly why trump won re-election

the very notion of telling a centrist that they are an evil fascist for x, y, z common viewpoints just says "ignore everything crazy trump does, look how the liberals are even crazier"

fact is a majority of americans consider porn amongst couples to be haram - i don't myself, nor would i expect it to be at all common of a subset of online posters on a defunct poker forum - but it stands true that the majority of americans hold that viewpoint - so to just paint them as christian/conservative idiots speaks more volumes about your own ignorance and live in an echo chamber of nonsense only surrounding yourself with likeminded people

hell, half of you gladly boast about cutting off friends and family for differing views - that's so deeply sad and disturbing behavior and yet you laud it as an accomplishment

and for the record as much as it pains me to have to point out the obvious - i wouldn't broach those subjects to dating partners until it was clear i wanted to date this person long term - it wouldn't come up anywhere close to a first date

You pretty much pointed out the fact that the window has shifted enough that Ricks views are now center right and not center left

I certainly wouldn't consider Rick a lib in any sense of the word and neither would you

Luci, I can't emphasize enough how unhelpful it is for an overtly fascist creep to rush in and vouch for Rick's liberal bona fides. You gotta be a bit more strategic here.

You really don't get it. Kind of like Inso0.

When you go on rants about trannies and the alphabet mafia real liberals are going to push back. That doesn't mean I don't want you to vote dem, it means I want you to reconsider your ultra regressive and conservative view points on specific topics. The same specific topics that you choose to focus on and rant about.

When everyone is telling you taht you just seem like a bog standard conservative its because, shockingly, thats how you come across.

Yeah and its incredibly obvious to everyone that Lucio is literally lassoing you right now Rick. You are getting owned by a horrible person trying to own you

Who said anything about "evil" or "conservative idiots" here? I just pointed out that being anti-porn is a standard center-right view. Less spewing text, more reading, please.

Do you think it's possible that some liberal women wouldn't want their partners watching porn?

What percentage do you think that might be if you were to take a guess?

Sure, it's possible.

Debating whether you are liberal or conservative misses the point imo. I think that you are mostly invested in thinking of yourself as above political labels because that seems vaguely superior to you.

i think in 10 years once this phase of embracing identity politics dies you and i will find ourselves standing much closer on the political spectrum

eventually we'll see that leads to all time worst candidates in people like trump and kamala and policy making that is ideological rather than intelligent we are totally fffd no matter which party wins

all this stuff - whether your viewpoints are pro or con, is more akin to the cultural revolution than anything our founding fathers ever envisioned and we need to get away from it

it just as irresponsible to forbid DEI as it is to enforce it

if Columbia, a private university wants to favor students of certain races then that is their prerogative and it shouldn't impact whether or not they are a good institution to receive government funds for cancer research - if they can do the research, who cares what color the student body is

if a hospital wishes to give gender affirming care to minors then they should not lose their federal funding that is for other programs wholly detached from that department

Upenn stripped lia of her medals, apologized to the 16 teammates of hers which were reprimanded for writing the school a letter that they didn't think she should compete with the women, and also wrote an apology to each woman she swam against - i can't stand that this happened due to pressure from the white house threatening to withhold funding - 3 of her former teammates have a pending lawsuit against the school demanding those very things - this should have been allowed to play out without the government involvement threatening to withhold 175 million in funding

again, only a small subset which tends to heavily populate this forum thinks my views are "ultra regressive" and "conservative"

i know you don't believe me, but nearly all of my closest friends are staunch liberals, my first choice college and the one i went to is perhaps the most liberal college campus in america - it's definitely in the top 10, most of my friends campaigned for kamala or donated the max contribution - all of these people know my exact viewpoints - none of them consider me a conservative and most of them agree with most of my opinions

a cousin of mine was a democratic gubernatorial campaign manager and founded his own poltical consultancy - our views are basically identical

you guys are just so used to an echo chamber you don't know what an actual democrat looks like - just like how you regularly complain about your seemingly liberal coworkers "just don't get it" when it comes to some issues - no, they do get it, it's you who has the trouble understanding how the world works

Seems doubtful that identity politics is going away anytime soon.

rick,

On most topics, I wouldn't characterize your professed political beliefs as outside the mainstream. (By mainstream, I mean a relatively widely held opinion, even if it isn't the majority opinion.) On the other hand, I would say the same thing about almost everyone here with a few obvious exceptions.

I don't think your "views" are ultra regressive and conservative

I think your one specific view is ultra regressive and conservative

And this isn't an echo chamber. My views are almost entirely unique to this forum. Vic and 72off have fairly unique views, roc only talks about things hes specifically interested in or knowledgeable about, the british guys are more conservative than most posters but also aren't maga generally.

The person who maybe aligns with me the most is checkraisedraw, maybe? There are tons of disagreements among the regular lib posters all the time

I don't think most liberal posters agree with me most of the time tbh.

Do any of you who post in here even play poker anymore? I don't see how you would have the time.

Only occasionally. Like most people who were here twenty years ago, I have decided that that there are better ways to make money and better ways to spend my time.

Of all the posters here, I probably agreed most often with our dearly departed bobo.

I don’t agree with any of you ftr, but you’re also all battling a disability so…

i disagree with a lot of the opinions luc brings forward - but he is able to see the world clearly for what it is

i don't see how he is trying to "own me" by agreeing that i'm not a conservative

again, everything i say and post here would be to the left of both clinton and obama - in fact i heavily criticized both of them for not taking advantage of full control of the government to finally do something for things like developing functional public transportation, universal healthcare and free(ish) college tuition - things that aren't so pie in the sky when you have countless examples of it across the globe

that's what I'm mad about

Also, the irony isn't missed on me that this place is being called an echo chamber because a few people relentlessly disagree with an individual on a specific topic

I don't agree with this. It is almost a trope for people who promote cruelty to justify their views by arguing that they see the world as it really is and that others are just too cowardly to follow along. Don't fall for it.

Would you claim that the world exists only in our imaginations and that there is no "world as it truly is"? That seems doubtful in which case you'd have to concede that some people have a better grasp of it than others. Not in any way claiming that's Luciom.

coordi, i know this is very close to you and i admit if i were in your specific shoes, i would possibly have a different opinion

but my viewpoints on trans competing in women's sports and gender affirming care being given to minors is the viewpoint of mine that gets the most agreement - a lot of people who staunchly believe kamala was a great candidate still agree that lia should have never been allowed to compete and dislike that schools are telling their 6 year old children that they can be a boy or girl and that is their own decision to make - right now one of my best friends - someone who financially supports a venezuelan immigrant family as they apply for legal status, someone who max donated and campaigned for kamala, someone who gets incredibly upset with me if i say anything remotely neutral on trump, still hates the fact that she regularly needs to reassure her daughter that no her school is wrong and she's not trans to the point that she's considering putting her child into catholic school programs

and just to nip it in the bud - no she is not trans and dealing with an unsupportive parent - her parents would still love her unconditionally if this were the case - she's very feminine, everything about her is - she's just a 10 year old who likes the attention she receives - when it's not that it's something else, this is just the newest iteration - she's a child doing what children do - which is why it's bonkers to indulge them with "you can be anything you want to be" even though it comes from a good place and undoubtably helps a few genuine trans kids navigate what must be an unfathomably difficult journey - it will still negatively impact countless non-trans children with needless confusion

remember, if you tell a child about santa claus, they will believe it is real