Moderation Questions
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Moderation Questions

The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic fa

30 January 2024 at 05:27 AM
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by 57 On Red m

What kind of rights are you talking about, within the framework of American law?

I already said, right to access medical care. Previously transgender people had the ability to have their medical care funded by various federal programs and now they don’t. There have also been various state laws attacking gender reassignment on ID, and bathroom bills forcing fully transitioned trans women to use the men’s bathroom.

Are you guys really so obtuse? lol


by checkraisdraw m

I already said, right to access medical care. Previously transgender people had the ability to have their medical care funded by various federal programs and now they don’t. There have also been various state laws attacking gender reassignment on ID, and bathroom bills forcing fully transitioned trans women to use the men’s bathroom.

Are you guys really so obtuse? lol

Of course they aren’t. They just really don’t like the idea of trans people existing


by Luciom m

anyway if the idea is to amend the constitution to add a right to privacy like the swiss constitution has (or stricter), you have my vote/signature (Which is worthless as i am not an american citizen).Also body autonomy.But any right to privacy will allow for exceptions for law enforcement so in reality, it won't ever be an actual right. A right exists when it's a clear cut thi

Huh? Then why talk about constitutional rights at all? All of them have at least strict scrutiny exceptions. Bruh.


by coordi m

Kids have a right to be gay privately but no longer have a right to be trans privately. That’s the most explicit reduction of trans rights but there are a large amount of reduced implied rights

They can be trans privately (or publicly). There is no law arresting kids (or their parent) if they profess they feel of the opposite sex they are.


by Luciom m

They can be trans privately (or publicly). There is no law arresting kids (or their parent) if they profess they feel of the opposite sex they are.

No, there is an executive order dictating that if teachers find out a kid is trans they MUST alert the parents

There is nothing dictating such for gay, queer, bi, straight etc


by checkraisdraw m

Huh? Then why talk about constitutional rights at all? All of them have at least strict scrutiny exceptions. Bruh.

Bold is false (it's true for some "rights", which are those which aren't rights anymore ofc). Wealth taxes don't have a strict scrutiny exception. They are fully unconstitutional under the federal constitution full stop. Income taxes the same before the constitution was amended to allow them explicitly.

right to return (the right of an american citizen to go back to the USA) is unlimited, no strict scrutiny allowed. And so on


by coordi m

No, there is an executive order dictating that if teachers find out a kid is trans they MUST alert the parents

There is nothing dictating such for gay, queer, bi, straight etc

ah you mean PRIVATELY in the sense of "against their parents knowledge". Well that's a parental right issue. I thought you meant in their private life.

In general with minors you know very well you have to solve 2 conflicting overlapping fundamental rights. Parental rights and invidual rights. There is no first best solution.

But there is no unlimited right for a minor to do the **** he wants *in general* (compared to an adult), that's what being a minor entails. So it's a whole big bunch of different problems.

Would you consider it a violation of minors rights that they can't get a tatoo in many states as minors without parental approval? if no, then why should be trans be different given that being trans entails potentially many actions with long term consequences, many much more important than getting a tatoo?


by Luciom m

What does this mean?

Just google "tentacle hentai" and you'll get the picture.


by Luciom m

ah you mean PRIVATELY in the sense of "against their parents knowledge". Well that's a parental right issue. I thought you meant in their private life.In general with minors you know very well you have to solve 2 conflicting overlapping fundamental rights. Parental rights and invidual rights. There is no first best solution. But there is no unlimited right for a minor to do the

If it was parental rights then there would be an implication that a parent should know their kid regardless of sexual orientation and not a rule specifically designed to discriminate against trans kids


by 57 On Red m

Which specific natural rights are you invoking?

Where did I invoke a natural right?


by coordi m

If it was parental rights then there would be an implication that a parent should know their kid regardless of sexual orientation and not a rule specifically designed to discriminate against trans kids

Do you think it's a parental right to be informed of suicidal tendencies of your minor kid, by public institutions that have that information?


by Luciom m

natural rights are all negatives

You always say this as if it is self-evident and widely agreed on. In fact, there is a lot of disagreement on this point.


btw there is no discrimination: minors have no right to privacy from their parents at all to begin with


by Luciom m

btw there is no discrimination: minors have no right to privacy from their parents at all to begin with

This is completely false


by coordi m

This is completely false

What Luciom wrote isn't exactly correct, but situations in which minors have a legal right to privacy vis-a-vis their parents are much more the exception than the rule.


If minors have some right to privacy, albeit reduced to adults, that would still make “no right to privacy” as wrong of a statement as could be made


by coordi m

If minors have some right to privacy, albeit reduced to adults, that would still make β€œno right to privacy” as wrong of a statement as could be made

no right vs parents. They still have rights vs others.

All attempts to create situations where parents don't have the complete full picture of what their minor children do, is fought vigorously as an extreme and horrific violation of parental right everywhere (in the USA).

There are some exceptions for "close to adult age" minors yes. That's because age of consent and so on is kinda blurred in some sense. But a 11y old minor has 0 privacy rights vs his parents. When some radical, demented places attempt to create some, it goes to court every time and the radical demented institution usually loses.


btw cordie, what's your answer for a kid with suicidal tendencies? should the parents be informed every time no exception?


If men bathroom is occupied I use the women bathroom.
Is it bad?
Same for 90% of the bars and restaurants I know.


It’s not even accurate to say minors have no right to privacy from their parents


by Luciom m

btw cordie, what's your answer for a kid with suicidal tendencies? should the parents be informed every time no exception?

The question isn’t relevant to the topic


by weeeez m

If men bathroom is occupied I use the women bathroom.
Is it bad
Same for 90% of the bars and restaurants I know.

yes it's atrocious unless the place is empty.


by coordi m

The question isn’t relevant to the topic

???? trans people have dramatically higher suicide ideation rates than everyone else, how is that not relevant? that alone more than justifies mandating the information being known to parents.

And given being gay DOES NOT dramatically increase your suicide ideation rate... you can see how that's not discrimination.


by Luciom m

no right vs parents. They still have rights vs others.All attempts to create situations where parents don't have the complete full picture of what their minor children do, is fought vigorously as an extreme and horrific violation of parental right everywhere (in the USA). There are some exceptions for "close to adult age" minors yes. That's because age of consent and so on is k

Not even remotely true. A teen has a right to privacy with her doctor regarding birth control usage, sexual activity and or treatment of STDs.


by Luciom m

Bold is false (it's true for some "rights", which are those which aren't rights anymore ofc). Wealth taxes don't have a strict scrutiny exception. They are fully unconstitutional under the federal constitution full stop. Income taxes the same before the constitution was amended to allow them explicitly.right to return (the right of an american citizen to go back to the USA) is

Citation needed. Also strictly speaking that’s not a right it’s a power.

As for right to return, there has probably never been a case where totally infringing on that right would pass strict scrutiny tests. But absolutely you can be stopped at the border for a reasonable period to ascertain whether you have that right at all. So in that sense it’s not absolute.

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