Moderation Questions
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic fa
Exactly. People are constantly sold the idea that some Western countries are fantastic places where it's easy to get rich, then find the reality is long hours flipping burgers on a stall to pay exorbitant rents, and lots of racism.
Brazilian girl I know lived in Angola for a few years and said that how I as an American think about Brazilians-- as being these super happy warm and friendly people-- that's how Brazilians feel about Angolans. And the average Brazilian is almost certainly happier than the average American so the Angolans must be bouncing off the walls with happiness.
Exactly. People are constantly sold the idea that some Western countries are fantastic places where it's easy to get rich, then find the reality is long hours flipping burgers on a stall to pay exorbitant rents, and lots of racism.
lol bro is like “africans should stay in their own countries” but from the left. incredible.
For the people that lived through it, they would never choose slave ships and slavery for life.For the people living here now, not many choose to leave this country and go somewhere else. And why should they, they’re the ones that hugely contributed to making this country great and as you have said, they have built things for themselves and created a culture in spite of,
? I thought black Americans were acknowledged as being American?
When you essentialise them by their shared history of slavery, it seems like you are putting them on one side and white americans on the other side. That’s my point. The people who are here now shouldn’t be treated as outsiders to american life.
When you essentialise them by their shared history of slavery, it seems like you are putting them on one side and white americans on the other side. That’s my point. The people who are here now shouldn’t be treated as outsiders to american life.
You’re reframing this in a very weird way.
What does this have to do with the colonialist claim that the descendants of slaves are better off westernized?
How about- and hear me out, chat- we just don’t defend in any way the ****ing SLAVE TRADE
I agree with this sentiment. They is why I find it so troublesome that so many people falsely blame European colonialism for the Slave trade. When the truth is the opposite.
Western European colonialists briefly engaged in the slave trade that had been going on in Africa and the Muslim world for centuries. And although it took a couple hundred years, they were the first and only group to come to the conclusion that slavery was morally wrong, and single-handedly set out to abolish it.
Although with the waning of Pax Americana and western European influence in the world, slavery is making a strong comeback in many parts of the world, which should surprise no one with a basic understanding of history and varying cultural norms.
Western European colonialists briefly engaged in the slave trade
the ****ing Romans say hi
Western European colonialists briefly engaged in the slave trade that had been going on in Africa and the Muslim world for centuries. And although it took a couple hundred years, they were the first and only group to come to the conclusion that slavery was morally wrong, and single-handedly set out to abolish it. Although with the waning of Pax Americana and western Europ
wtf? Briefly? How many generations do you think were taken from Africa by Europeans?
Estimates of 12 million Africans they took into slavery and you want to minimise European guilt?
wtf? Briefly? How many generations do you think were taken from Africa by Europeans?
Estimates of 12 million Africans they took into slavery and you want to minimise European guilt?
From where I sit the bigger problem is that cultures which engaged in the slave trade for hundreds if not thousands of years, would have never stopped without western intervention, and are starting to practice it again now that western influence is waning feel absolutely no guilt and instead are cynically weaponizing western empathy in the most perverse of manners.
I think the completely cynical way western guilt is being weaponized is a tremendous problem for the world.
But we can agree to disagree on that I guess.
There is a strange selective outrage thing that goes on in this thread. It reminds me of the opening scene in anger management where everybody is telling Adam Sandler to calm down even though he is completely calm. I think most of you talk over each other and don't truly listen. I think some of you are just looking for trouble.
I agree. most people refuse to read and when they do are not able to comprehend words.
wtf? Briefly? How many generations do you think were taken from Africa by Europeans?
Estimates of 12 million Africans they took into slavery and you want to minimise European guilt?
How many?
She is totally unfit to moderate. Having her moderate 2p2 politics is the most 2p2 move ever
It's the most blatantly obvious logical fallacy and none of her lefty friends can muster up the collective courage to tell her
Even you wouldn’t be dumb enough to advocate for woman hate the same day CN was on wan about a woman getting stabbed in the face
I think they think I’m saying that they should be grateful for slavery because being an American is a great advantage.
Which would be like saying white women should be grateful for marital rape and disenfranchisement because being an American is a great advantage.
The only things I have said about slavery in this thread have all been negative, but it is what it is.
Taking a position of, black people in modern America are far better off than black people in Africa today can easily be construed as suggesting that black people benefited from slavery, which is a very controversial opinion.
Then when you top it off with, "but now they are living here and we should acknowledge them as fully Americans and they should feel good about being Americans just like any other ethnic group can be" sounds like it's "well, gee whiz" talk straight from the late 1800's.
So yeah, regardless of what his intentions were, it's not surprising that some would interpret it that way.
It was an extremely ignorant take that was even more poorly phrased. I take no responsibility for that.
Taking a position of, black people in modern America are far better off than black people in Africa today can easily be construed as suggesting that black people benefited from slavery, which is a very controversial opinion. Then when you top it off with, "but now they are living here and we should acknowledge them as fully Americans and they should feel good about being Americ
That's why I don't post in here so much.
Taking a position of, black people in modern America are far better off than black people in Africa today can easily be construed as suggesting that black people benefited from slavery, which is a very controversial opinion. Then when you top it off with, "but now they are living here and we should acknowledge them as fully Americans and they should feel good about being Americ
If someone said what I said in the 1800s they would be wrong. And a good reason for that is that it probably wasn’t so much of a privilege to be an American in the 1800s as it is today. So that’s like an easy symmetry breaker that would be obvious to anyone with an ounce of good faith.
Another reason would be that black americans in particular would have been some of the worst off people in the world still at the time.
