Multiway A5s
Β£1/Β£1/Β£2 8 handed
Hero opens UTG+1 Β£8 A5s (Β£300)
UTG +2 calls (Covers)
Blinds and straddle calls
Flop 2h2c4s (Β£40)
UTG +2 bets Β£17
Hero calls
I didn't Cbet here 4 ways as I think were going to get called a lot and will be against a lot of pair 66-1010. I maybe should be just folding this flop however he bet quite small so I was getting over 3-1 on a call. I also assumed my Ax was good too
Turn 3h (Β£74)
UTG +2 Β£55
Hero ??
Im thinking his range here looks a lot like middle pocket pairs 66 - maybe even JJ, I dont think there is a size I can raise to here that wouldn't be a shove? So I was torn between calling and shoving
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C/s turn just looks so strong. Lets keep the story going and call again, and risk him hitting his boat.
We will have to work out whether we shove river or let V hang himself.
C/s turn just looks so strong. Lets keep the story going and call again, and risk him hitting his boat.
We will have to work out whether we shove river or let V hang himself.
I dont mind calling turn either. I think one point I dont ever do is if I call turn here I wouldn't shove river I would check again
I didn't Cbet here 4 ways as I think were going to get called a lot and will be against a lot of pair 66-1010...
I also assumed my Ax was good too.
Both of these statements can't be true.
Also, I'm not opening in EP with A5s in a typipcal low limit game where there will often be 3+ callers.
I wouldn't open this UTG+1 8 handed - not a good hand to go multiway. I think you can bet here 4 way - you have 7 clean outs a backdoor flush draw, and you can bet say 15 to win 40 which wouldn't require you winning that often. I think I would tank shove the turn since we're OOP. I'd be afraid of him checking back the river
I didn't Cbet here 4 ways as I think were going to get called a lot and will be against a lot of pair 66-1010...
I also assumed my Ax was good too.
Both of these statements can't be true.
Also, I'm not opening in EP with A5s in a typipcal low limit game where there will often be 3+ callers.
Maybe phrased it badly. I was meaning that if I hit my A I will be good
Yeah I guess itΓβs bit loose. But the table was not 3b much at all
Pre is good. I'd always open this. Just shove the turn. You're oop and can make your hand look drawy. Check shove is not always strong. I like your decision to check and not lead here too.
Would be valuable to know your suit, since you could possibly c-bet with a bdfd, but only if you're prepared to barrel turn. Normally it's a check with most of your range though.
As played, if we just call turn, I'd be planning to donk some non-flush completing as well broadway rivers. UTG2 seems value-heavy on turn, so likely to check behind on the river. He shouldn't have much 2x (plus we might block some A2s).
I would think UTG2 folds his small to middle pairs to a turn shove, unless you have some info on him being sticky/suspicious.
Would be valuable to know your suit, since you could possibly c-bet with a bdfd, but only if you're prepared to barrel turn. Normally it's a check with most of your range though. As played, if we just call turn, I'd be planning to donk some non-flush completing as well broadway rivers. UTG2 seems value-heavy on turn, so likely to check behind on the river. He shouldn't have muc
My suit was spades so I did have BDFD
Yeah I was not sure how to go about turn, I didnt know the player so not sure what he would do with PP or vs river lead
Re-raise all-in.
You have a made hand and villain is bound to have a piece of this wet board. The problem with calling in my view is that more cards kill the action than help it. Villain might make a bad call with a bad draw because of βhopeβ on the turn. There will be no more hope after the river card, and with no more chance to improve, villain may fold. Villainβs line looks like what a two (A2 maybe) would do or 2Pair, both drawing thin, get the money in.
I think I would cbet this. Even multiway there's every chance that the board hits nobody so you still have some range advantage. You probably don't want to be blasting off with every hand you have, but gutshot + BDFD is a good starting point, and as you say there's a benefit to folding out better Ax in case you do hit an Ace on the turn. As played, calling for this size completing the action seems fine.
I would check-jam turn as played. Let opponent with their overpair (55-TT or so) decide whether they think you do this with KK or whatever. You're far from guaranteed to get any more river action, especially if river is a heart (I suppose you could lead river, but why not just put them to the test now?)
Yeet and delete the turn
Grunch:
PRE - I don't mind the open with A5s in general. If it's a higher rake game, or if it's a generally loose-splashy game, I might consider folding or raising bigger.
FLOP - I think we can get away with c-betting small here on 422rb. That board isn't likely to connect much with anyone's range, and we'll have all the overpairs.
I also think we can sometimes c-bet large when it's a low-paired board.
I don't hate the check-call. I wouldn't hate a check-raise with our specific hand.
TURN - Bink!
I think we can just donk here, because what the hell are we repping other than precisely A5 or maybe 65? A check-raise is likely to generate more fold equity than we'd like, and we'll lose value when V just has air or some weak 1P that can easily find a fold.
Since there are two hearts on board, a shove may look like we've got a hand like AKhh or some such, and we might get a crying call from 66+.
We could call, but then it sets up the difficult decision of whether to check again or donk river, and we're giving him a free card to make a boat. I don't hate flatting, but I think donking > check-raising > flatting.
I think the way you played it is probably not quite the best for EV, but certainly isn't bad by any means.