Do I get too scared?
Hi folks, I'm fairly new to poker but really enjoying it and trying to improve. I want to ask about a hand I recently played - I can be quite passive postflop but I'm never sure if I'm making the right calls or missing valuable opportunities.
Hold'em 6-max No Limit ($0.01/$0.02)
Hero Cards: Kh9h
Hero has 80BB, SB has 35BB
Hero in HJ: raises to 2.5BB
SB: calls
BB: calls
*** FLOP *** [Tc Qs Kd]
SB: bets 6BB
BB: folds
Hero: calls
*** TURN *** [Tc Qs Kd] [4c]
SB: bets 8BB
Hero: ???
8 Replies
Top up to 100bb pre. I'd consider just folding the flop. Also, wrong forum.
I fold flop, a large donk 3 way probably has us beat.
As played I call turn though because pot is 7.5 +6 +6 = 19.5bb and bet size is only 8bb. Since this is 2NL bet size is a good indicator of hand strength so they can easily have something like K6o here and they will struggle to pull the trigger with a big river bet if they have a straight draw that misses. Don't get me wrong, we are often beat if we call turn and then say 12bb OTR but our pot odds are good enough to call both. But again, I fold the flop.
I fold flop, a large donk 3 way probably has us beat. As played I call turn though because pot is 7.5 +6 +6 = 19.5bb and bet size is only 8bb. Since this is 2NL bet size is a good indicator of hand strength so they can easily have something like K6o here and they will struggle to pull the trigger with a big river bet if they have a straight draw that misses. Don't get me wrong,
what are you waiting for werebeer?
He had 1% chance to get a heart flush on the flop
He had 2% chance to get two pairs on the flop
He had 1.35% chance to flop trips
He had 1.3% chance to flop a straight
Let's be generous and call it 5%.
So you're telling me you fold 95% of all the god damn flops, that you opened, that the blinds just called, and that you flop top pair. Because he donks near pot. Which is still jsut ****ing 12 cents like.
Dont get me wrong, KQ10 flop was a lot worse than lets say K82, and I do sense that he has a strong hand a lot here but...
Dont you feel too that you're just, giving up a lot?
Please develop why you fold here and why its good to fold here because on a mathematical standpoint, youre being nitty... On a experience level I do feel that K9 is in bad shape but still... its just strange... very very strange
So yeah if you could secure me and reason me into folding here id like that... you're saying villain checks there 95% of the time? he doesnt have a lot of bets that are below 6bb, 12 cents is kind of the regular 1-2 cent typical bet
also arent you really easy to bluff? After all you are folding top pair to not much aggression, we probably can remove sets from a read standpoint, so yeah maybe youre even saying that he checks there 97% of the time because its gonna be really hard for the SB to have kings here, if ever depending on the player type
So yeah just seeking to understand yeah
Welcome to the forum, OP. As someone mentioned, this is a live forum, so I'll move this to the online strategy forum. You might even consider the Beginner's Questions formu, as you mention you are new to poker. I also took out the results, which include hero's last action, as they tend to bias responses. Please don't reveal your last action and anything that follows until discussion dies down.
what are you waiting for werebeer?He had 1% chance to get a heart flush on the flopHe had 2% chance to get two pairs on the flopHe had 1.35% chance to flop tripsHe had 1.3% chance to flop a straightLet's be generous and call it 5%.So you're telling me you fold 95% of all the god damn flops, that you opened, that the blinds just called, and that you flop top pair. Because he don
I wouldn't fold flop but it's not that crazy. MDF vs PSB is 50%, split between two people that's 25%. (I know this math isn't theoretically perfect I'm just trying to illustrate why we can play tight multiway.) From the HJ this is probably the weakest kicker we have or close. We have every set, AJ, AA, probably every two pair combo, KJ, AK. This is quickly getting lower in our range than it seems. I think a fish can show up here with worse kings or JT so I wouldn't fold yet but it's not crazy to consider. Play tight multiway
If the villain is a rec, just call down
Opening K9s from the HJ is not bad, but it’s a marginal open. You aren’t really losing much EV by folding this hand preflop. As a beginner you might want to think about opening a little less often than the preflop charts indicate and focus more on playing a stronger range. That will tend to lead toward easier postflop decisions. Once your play improves, then you can start adding in the marginal hands to your opening ranges.
