1/2: Am I losing value in these spots with the nuts?

1/2: Am I losing value in these spots with the nuts?

$420 eff

UTG straddle $5, Hero opens $20 UTG1 with QTs, V (UTG2, old guy calls), 3 other calls

Flop ($100): AKJr
Hero cbets $25, only V calls

Turn ($150): 6x
Hero bets $75, V calls

River ($300): Jx
Hero blocks $100 planning to fold to shove, V calls with AQo

I was thinking maybe go larger flop and turn to target AQ, AT or even 2p in these spots which will be plenty in their ranges.

31 July 2025 at 09:26 AM
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Flop sizing is fine but you can go bigger if you want. Turn I would go bigger, his flop call with 3 players behind is pretty strong. River is a terrible card and 1/3 is fine.


You started the hand 84bb deep with the straddle, and flopped the nut straight with an SPR of 4….the only question is how are we going to be able to get it in most often against the widest range.

Fine with bet bet bet last one being all in. The small bet on flop is fundamentally sound but you could definitely adjust to bigger.

Turn bet should be 100-125, jam river. What in the world do you mean you plan on folding to a shove lol


I think you answered your own question well. A little bigger on the flop and turn maybe. You can also get a feel for villain’s reaction: if you cbet 60 & get a quick call, you can go bigger on the turn too - But if he tanks before calling the 60, you might go smaller.

It’s tricky business getting value, but I think you did a fine job as played - you got called on all streets.

At the same time, I understand your wanting more - that’s the name of the game

Not sure what bothers me more:
When I bet & they fold, but they would have called a little less.
When I bet & they call, but they would have called a little more.


by Dilly_

You started the hand 84bb deep with the straddle, and flopped the nut straight with an SPR of 4….the only question is how are we going to be able to get it in most often against the widest range.Fine with bet bet bet last one being all in. The small bet on flop is fundamentally sound but you could definitely adjust to bigger.Turn bet should be 100-125, jam river.

Passive old guy at low stakes making big river raise is very weighted to boats. Don't think a fold is crazy, though not sure I ever find it.


I think the flop bet size could be much bigger. Also your relative position is important (and other 4 Villains) to thinking about bet sizing, if the other Villains are SB, BB, Straddle, they are likely going to naturally check to you even when hitting this board, If they are all in position relative to you, different situation.

Are any of the other players calling standard size bets with any piece of this board? You having QT unblocks tons of Ax, Kx, Jx hands. Read on the other Villains would be helpful too and would influence bet sizing. For example, against stations, I think I may bet bigger as it could even set up a jam on safe turns...$75 would make the pot $250 if one caller, $325. You could get stacks in on the safe turn without it even being an overbet.


Flop bet seems a bit small, and slows down your ability to get stacks in. What's the concept here: range advantage but not "nut advantage"? Don't know but 5 ways I gotta think someone likes this board enough to pay $50 or so. Then your turn bet can be larger and river would potentially just leave a pot size bet behind, which gives you options to shove or stick-bet depending on who's still in.


by hitchens97

Passive old guy at low stakes making big river raise is very weighted to boats. Don't think a fold is crazy, though not sure I ever find it.

You have to be confident it’s not just an old man it’s a confirmed super nit OMC who flats premiums and never ever ever raises postflop without the stone nuts.

There are 19 combos of boats max, you need 23% equity to call.

If you bet bet jam this board every single time this happens, the times you get coolered will come nowhere close to the profit from when you get called by worse, it’s really not a tough spot, this is a home run situation lol


by Dilly_

You have to be confident it’s not just an old man it’s a confirmed super nit OMC who flats premiums and never ever ever raises postflop without the stone nuts.There are 19 combos of boats max, you need 23% equity to call.If you bet bet jam this board every single time this happens, the times you get coolered will come nowhere close to the profit from when you get called by wors

Don't disagree with that last statement on jamming river ourselves, but given we didn't - big river raises ars so often monsters even among regular low stakes that alarm bells should be ringing. This is classic Ed Miller from The Rules.


by hitchens97

Don't disagree with that last statement on jamming river ourselves, but given we didn't - big river raises ars so often monsters even among regular low stakes that alarm bells should be ringing. This is classic Ed Miller from The Rules.

I get that, but with limited boat combos possible, you have to be reallllly confident in your judgement of villain, population reads isn’t sufficient here. If we face this raise, call, and lose 70% of the time we’re printing money here.

And for sure we gain an edge by correctly making exploitative folds here, just have to be careful because being a little wrong in our assumptions makes the fold a disaster


my only worry with the flop is that people wont raise


Surprised that no one suggested to check the flop. Your hand is a really good check-raise candidate not just because you have the nuts, but because you unblock all of your opponents' check-call hands.

As played, you have to size the turn to set up a comfortable river shove. You have $375 left on the turn and a pot of $150, so you can go slightly bigger than 2/3 and bet, like, $110 to set up a shove that is $265 into $370 OR you can overbet the turn and give villain a juicy price on the river.


OOP multiway I would check-raise flop. Checking with loads of hands.


That's a good point about turn bet size going 2/3 to 3/4 to set up a shove of the same geometric size, and I do see that in the Op hero had an almost exactly PSB left. Which, after the small flop and turn bets, would have been much larger.


Flop sizing seems fine multi-way. Would size way up on the turn. River is pretty gross. Blocking to get called by Ax seems fine. Unlikely low stakes recs are going to raise as a bluff in this spot.


by elmcityboy

Surprised that no one suggested to check the flop. Your hand is a really good check-raise candidate not just because you have the nuts, but because you unblock all of your opponents' check-call hands.As played, you have to size the turn to set up a comfortable river shove. You have $375 left on the turn and a pot of $150, so you can go slightly bigger than 2/3 and bet, like, $1

Check raise looks super strong and will get even AQ to bet fold sometimes.


by moxterite

OOP multiway I would check-raise flop. Checking with loads of hands.

I hate check raising these spots because it looks so absurdly strong. It would be a disaster if AQ or AT bet and fold to a x/r.


Re, checking the flop - when we're multi-way, we flop the nuts on a three-Broadway board, and have multiple opponents behind us, I think it's better to just c-bet small to get calls from all the hands in their combined ranges that will call at least one bet.

A check-raise looks insanely strong, and it sucks if it checks to the button and we only get one bet in here before everyone folds. If we bet small, we might get multiple bets, and occasionally someone with 2P or a good draw will raise.

If it was a more middling board that would be worse for our range as the PFR, I could see checking, to let some opponent stab at it. But high-connected boards aren't as likely to get stabbed, even by someone with AX, because we could be trapping, or just planning to check-call the whole way with AA, KK, AK, etc, and they're worried about value-owning themselves.

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