I check-raised river with air and I like it, you?

Kudos for the thread title which invites a pummelling.

I like postflop, but if you're sizing up preflop then 76s from LJ is too loose. It would be a bit dicey opening for 10, but for 15 it just needs to be binned.

Postflop line looks good to me

I don’t like it. Villain never has air here (K9dd maybe) and a loose passive Villain is checking back river with one pair a lot. Are you getting him to fold AK or 2pair? I don’t think it works enough.

Yeah this is a good check-raise I think, if I'm playing against this and don't know the player, I'd fold any two pair for sure, would probably fold sets. This is exactly KJ more often than not, and the way you played makes sense with KJ.

It should be player-specific though, don't do it against someone who likes calling down.

No matter what anyone thinks, this is a bold play and I’ve got to like it.

I’m going to bet the flop, and I’m not sure what you mean by seat bouncing, in response to your overbet, so I have no clue

Villain makes what’s probably a thin value bet, and you put him to the test. My fear is he’s going to start bouncing in the seat & call. Some unknowns have lots of money they don’t mind throwing around.

I’m trusting your read and admire you for seizing the opportunity. The check-raise is too strong for any marginals to stick around.

I am not sure about your overbet on the turn. Your draw is pretty weak at that point. I understand you have more good aces and he shouldn't have AA/AK. 1/3 players are somewhat size inelastic, and won't fold in small pots. I am not surprised he was shocked by the overbet.

Given the way the hand played out, why would the aggressor with a value hand expect the passive opponent to bet this river?

Villain isn't bluffing here, and Banana's line just looks FOS.

I think with an 8 out draw, cbet medium into overbet turn will be more efficient without risking your stack.

Preflop seems quite loose to me at a loose table. I wouldn't hate an open limp if we think we can get away with it. Decent result (HU, albeit OOP), but is this really expected?

We've flopped a hand with decent equity and we can often get our opponent to lay down a zillion overcard hands that are currently better than ours. Why aren't we cbetting?

There's zero reason to bet so big on the turn, imo. If he has an Ax, he's never folding. If he has a small pair, our hand looks exactly like AK/etc. and he'll mostly fold to a smaller $30 bet.

I give up UI after I'm called on the turn.

This dude has often just made two pear with AQ which he is never folding. Otherwise, he has Ax. Will he fold Ax (even AK) to a huge check/raise? Yeah, maybe. Maybe not. ETA#2: I also totally missed the fact that this is KJ (especially KJdd) some of the time, so good luck getting the nuts to fold.

In general, I would more lean to bluffing when our opponent likely has an extremely weak hand (not TP+ when no obvious draw that we can rep hasn't come in), plus it helps if we can tell a credible story (not sure how often we're checking AA/QQ/AQ on the river).

ETA: And very good point by Dan regarding passive's often checking back just TP on the river. This point alone makes his bet extremely strong, which is horrible to target with a bluff. Inb4 he folds AQ face up, ldo.

ETA#3: Finally, if we are going to punt (and the more I think about it, the more this seems like a punt to me), why not just punt $200 instead of $345, cuz the difference in folding frequency between the two is negligible.

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Yeah, that seems like the more natural line, and then you are semibluffing, rather than putting your stack in on a pure bluff.

i dont think you should check the river with your hand. usually your x/r bluffs come from hands that have some amount of sdv and can win in the x/x line

This is a fair point...and a river barrel probably accomplishes everything that a CR does, bearing in mind we don't even beat bluffs

what range are you putting him on? Ace-whatever typically checks back river so this is AQ or AK an awful lot, which arent folding

i also dont understand the turn overbet, Ax calls always. pairs probably bet flop when you check so its not like you are folding those out when they arent in range. people do not generally protect their checkback range when you check to them as the PFR on rag boards.

i dont think FDs or SDs call your turn overbet so basically you are trying to bluff out top of range. meh.

flop could go either way. if i check its to CR and then bet big on turn

pre probably smallish losing but i play better in general if i play hands that are neutral EV because ive found otherwise i pretty much fall asleep at the table, so i think its good, dont listen to nits playing 10% vpip.

I dislike it because V willingly bet into you on the river after you bet big on turn. I think you lose if he has anything that is betting for value but win if he is a bluffing missed draw. But you likely can get the missed draw to fold with any raise so believe you are risking more but only beating the same hands. Now if you know the player so have a read that is different.

Yea some of what you guys are saying makes sense, tbh it was a really boring face up table and I had resigned myself after he called the 50 that he just has an A and is never folding...then the river size seemed weak so I pounced hoping to get a naked A to fold.

Result:

i get the idea behind overbetting, i just think if u think u cant follow up on perceived good card you're better off betting smaller ott and betting the river too because you're high carded by all of the draws. i think your line good with like qj though (in theory). in practice i still have no idea if u made a good play or not based on results

turn seems like 2 sizing strategy to me

ChatGPT, write up this thread in the voice of Doyle Brunson.

Well, I checked again when the ace of diamonds came on the turn, and he began bouncing in his seat like a rattlesnake on the hood of an oilfield truck…

…after he hemmed & hawed for a minute he folded 44 face up and proudly announced, “Pappy always said when a man obviously has aces, you should never throw good money after bad. Nice hand, Doyle.”

Well, I normally don’t like to embarrass someone at the table, but I figured showing my bluff might loosen the game up, and sure enough, for the next twenty minutes everyone’s nose opened wider than Grandma’s picnic basket.

When they tightened back up again, I decided to quit winners.

For once.

The results show it was good you got a fold from a big hand, but not so good that the action indicated he might have a big hand.

Line with two overbets was scary. Obviously, villain didn't know you and your posts. With hand villain had, betting flop and turn would not have worked.

I mean, glad it worked out, but I'm assuming we weren't meaning to bluff into a strong range, and this guy's river bet alone indicates that.

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Not sure why we check this flop - double gutter along with a flop that rarely hits anyone seems like the easiest Cbet. The problem on the turn is his flop check behind indicates mainly Ax/maybe some small pairs, and I would expect him to bet his pairs,Kx or worse OTF. Think this whole line is big spew.

Villain probably played this hand way worse tbh. I don’t dislike the check raise….you took a chance and it worked.

I really hate the villain’s play here….if the players here are that bad where you play OP - I’d make this card room my personal ATM. So happy hunting!

Im experimenting with checking 100% of range OOP