3bets when not fold equity

I can't give advice specific to 5c. But in general, when villains call too wide, we get more EV from our premium hands, but less EV from our marginal hands (because their EV comes from fold equity). So, if villains never fold, you should definitely 3bet tighter.

Yes, you’re playing a higher variance game where equities run much closer together. You’re building big pots with a smaller edge overall tho the frequency of these small edge spots occur more often…which means you need to brace for huge swings if you’re going to play this game in this way

If you’re 3b decent double suited aces you’ll be able to stack off on lots of different flops where they’ll put it in dominated. Equities run close in 5c so it’s hard to gii as huge favorite unless it’s a cooler at low spr. And if you have double suited aces you’ll be the one doing the coolering more often than them.

My question is , if basically people don't fold preflop , maybe it's better to 3 bets only super duper premiums ?

Obviously when we 3bet , players will automatically put us on aces .
So if any ace will come , they will play very cautious, with their made hands and draws . And if we cbet on a two tone board , they will put us on the ace high flush draw .

So by not 3 betting a hand like I gave before on the example , we disguise our hand , with much bigger potential to coller , with much less risk .

If we do choose to 3 bet , the money will go in when we are probably behind by a made hand . The players I play with are gamblers, but not complete idiots.

I think so many flops are going to be a problem to cbet .

Let's say
k33 with our flush draw

Jt2 rainbow

742 rainbow

Q45 two tone not ours

What is our plan on each of this flops with our hand and spr of 1.8 against 3 players ?

It almost entirely depends on the level of variance you’re willing to take on. Pf equities run much closer together so you don’t get to punish pf mistakes as much. You can still do it but it’s for a much smaller equity edge so your swings will be much larger if you play this style. No one can tell you how much variance you’re comfortable taking on but you

Why would you want to bloat the pot with marginal hands and reduce position advantage ?

People don't fold pre at this game often.

Why do we 3bet?

Start by asking yourself that question.

Theres 3 reasons.

Value - We have a stronger hand then our opponents and benefit from putting money in the pot prior to the flop, as we have more equity than their range, and will win more often than we will lose.

Playability - We have a smooth hand but non nutted that benefits from pushing out players behind us who may have more nutted components and getting the pot heads up, preferably IP, vs only 1 opponent.

Bluff - We have a hand that has good blocker properties and makes money from making a hand who is stronger in showdown value fold now

That's it. Those are the 3 reasons we 3 bet. Whenever you go to 3 bet, ask yourself which category your hand falls under and ask yourself if the dynamics that need to happen are likely to happen in your given game.

Lets assume you have ATT8ds. This is a 3b bluff hand. Why? Because it blocks aces and benefits from making hands like weak KK, JJ, and QQ fold plus other smooth hands that can flat an open but not call a 3 bet such at JT97ss. Now ask yourself, if I 3b this hand for the reasons I'm suppose to, will that result occur in the game I'm currently in? Are people going to fold their weak KK QQ and JJ. The answer is almost always no in a live PLO setting. So then should we 3b this hand? No. Does the hand still make money if we call or is it a losing call? Well it's a nutted hand with some connectivity and a high pocket pair so in a multiway spot, it makes money. So we call. Sure, the solver says its a more profitable 3b in theory, but thats assuming the proper responses from your opponents, which is to fold alot. They aren't going to fold. So we don't 3b.

Now let's look at a hand like 8765ds. This is a 3b hand for playability. Why? Because its non nutted and we don't want weaker hands with better flush draws to call behind us, and in a 3b pot we can hit a multitude of flops and generally flop enough equity to get it in vs 1 opponent, but almost never 2 or more. Now we ask again, should I 3 bet my hand in the game I'm in? Will the field fold to a 3b or will they cold call a 3b with a hand like KQJ7ss. If the answer is they will call and we will go multiway to a flop, then why are we 3b this hand? Now lets ask ourselves, should we call? Well, this also assumes people behind us fold the marginal hands multiway. Will the people behind us still call an open raise with a hand like JT86 trip suited? If the answer is yes, then why are we calling? Our hand is just dominated in the field we are playing in. So what's our option? Fold. Can we fold 8765ds though? Most can't.

So that leaves us with one option in MOST live PLO games. We 3b for value. However, the interesting dynamic is, we can add more hands into our value range, as our opponents are playing EGREGIOUSLY too loose. They arent folding the KQT7 trip suit to an open. So that mean, AKT9ss is now a VALUE hand. They aren't folding J985ss to a 3b. So that means that AJ98ss is a VALUE hand.

The exploit is we have a more MERGED value range and we 3b wider with it, while eliminating all 3b bluffs and reducing our 3b for playability until the perfect conditions present themselves.

Thanks for the long and informative comment .
So in this games we're mostly playing with loose preflop players , and we don't have a lot of fold equity preflop , we generally want to raise for value , specially oop.

However , in 5 cards , and when facing multiple opponents, the equities run very close preflop .
And when 3betting, our range becomes high card mostly if we're playing for value only.
So we're making our opponents life very easy by 3betting oop for value no ?

As the equities are close , and we're facing multiple opponents, by 3betting , they can fold most high flops we're cbetring on , and attack many flops we can't continue on, or just easily realize their equity , as many flops we cant cbet against multiple opponents.
So my question is , is it really worth the value or better to disguise our hands , play bigger sprs , but with dominating hands in this kind of fames where people don't fold anyway preflop ?

Once again, what you're asking is a variance question, not a balance/range question. You already realize if you only 3b for value your range will be narrowed and face up. So you need to either widen your 3b range and embrace more variance or reduce your 3b range and accept not pushing as much value/equity edge pf in exchange for lower variance. You clearly already know what to do, if you had a $5m bankroll you wouldn't be asking these questions so obv this is a BR/variance question which again only you can really answer for yourself. None of us know your BR or how much variance you're comfortable taking on

You will have value in 3b pots if you have a good 3b range.

You can still have hands like AA876, AK987, A7654, AKK65, etc.

And you will have spots where you can 3b the perfect DS rundowns too like JT987

You will have value in 3b pots if you have a good 3b range.

You can still have hands like AA876, AK987, A7654, AKK65, etc.

And you will have spots where you can 3b the perfect DS rundowns too like JT987