2/5 bottom set limped pot vs 2

Limping isn't terrible but I like a chunky raise that will most often get us HU IP with the passive V. V1 might be completing with all kinds of BS, whether he should or not. If you have a read otherwise, the limp becomes better. Of course, there is always some chance we just win $30 with no flop.

I think you need to blast the flop. If someone limped KK, god bless. 88 could happen but so be it. You have 2 Vs who seem fine putting money in and we just want to build a pot. It depends on the game, but I would just bet whatever the max is I expect to call. Also, this deep we do want a bit of protection against gutters and stuff.

Turn, bet. 88 should think of raising pre, should strongly consider re-raising flop. This is a hand where you should have tells pretty often. Someone with 88 should probably think about what to do on the flop before deciding to slowplay, if they do so. t9 is possible but you have outs.

River I just pay. Aggro could just be stabbing at the 1 liner and passive just snapping him of with 2p. There's like 475 or so to your 100. There are some plausible 9s, especially for a loose passive who might just hang around with k9 or 89, especially as it has been pretty cheap to do so. But it's not certain they have these hands. Are they limping k9o? Are they calling flop with 8c9c? 89o? Generically, I think you win enough to call. Some might also take a second to consider raising with a straight, though perhaps not with a 4 liner not holding the nuts.

Preflop is probably the best play. Turn check is awful. You are probably not good, but call river. It is unlikely someone has a 9, but likely someone has a 4.

They are limping to call unless I go huge. Vs a normal bet size of 50 or under, they are calling everyday.
Also, V1 has 3betted me 2-3 times already, I folded all of them, so I assume he might continue to 3bet me light if I do open.
Also I think V1/V2 limping range has some decent hands that could've opened themselves since they're first to act. V2 opening range is super strong, so her limping range does have alot of medium strength hands(22-QQ/89s+/KQ+).

Bet 300 on the turn for an easy river shove. V might show up with 88 but more likely overvalued KQ or K8s.

I don't completely hate preflop - with the button straddle on there are only four players left and one of them can play for free, I would still mostly just fold here but overlimping is probably fine. I don't like raising here at all.

Flop fine (could go bigger), I would bet turn with a view to checking back some rivers (like the one we see here). As played with a bet from an aggressive player and then no aggression from the player in the middle I think you can pay this one off, V2 has a King a lot and you only need to be good a small percentage while it sounds like V1 can be creative.

You opened early, but ended up with position against the blinds.

The story was fine until the turn. I’m betting $220 or maybe even a pot-sized bet. This is deep stack, so play deep stack and define your hand. I don’t like any of your logic of how you might be behind at this point. They already had 20 in so they called the 3bet.

I don’t know how the story ends, but it changes with a big turn bet. Now they know you’re serious, and their reaction will let you know if they’re serious.

As played, you have to fold the devil on the river suffering from a terrible runout.

You cannot fold 66 when to losing players limp in front of you.

Absolutely do not fold 66 pf here. Come on.

Turn is just a bomb. Pay river.

How can this be good advice when the nit snap called? Facing 2 players and you don’t think one of them has a 9 or a 4.

Maybe you’re right, but I wouldn’t be willing to bet $100 on it. If the nit does not have you beat, then her description is probably wrong and the laggy could have A9, A4, K9, T9, J9 and many other hands we can’t beat now.

Posted right before the reveal and I was wrong, the devil would have won. The snap call by the nit fooled us both.

After seeing the hands, the bet with KQ makes no sense, but the nit’s call does. You said she raised river with the nuts, so her call may have been a clue. I still think betting the turn would have given you an easier decision and I suffer from not seeing the people act myself, as reads are a big part of my game.

Don’t linger on this one. You made a logical decision in a game of imperfect information. On to the next…

I totally agree the price was right and I would always call against one opponent, but with two players and a 4 liner, doesn’t it seem questionable?

V2 is no threat whatsoever. She's not calling flop twice with just a gutshot (I suppose T9 with a BDFD, but you'd have heard from that by now), there is a small risk of 88 but otherwise she is just dead money calling with a King.

V1 can have a limped/slowplayed KK but also shouldn't have many straights. He should be calling flop with gutshots even less frequently than V2. He can bet worse or bluff (usually bluff, or turn hands into a bluff) after the hand checks around on the turn.

You need to be good like 19% or something to break even. With V2's dead money that's far too good a price to turn down

Poker is certainly not dead. Even winning players posting here and making mistakes.

cant believe people advocate folding pre. lol. if hero played this hand properly he would have stacked one if not both players, and ppl wanna fold pre?

OP you dont pot control with sets. if you lose with a set and dont lose a ton you f'd up unless the flop is monotone

I think the lines from both villains are weak and we seriously underrepresented our hand here. If V2 had us beat she wouldn’t always snap call. Sometimes she would at least hesitate and think about raising first, even if she does end up calling. And she never raised once in this hand.

If V1 likes to c/r on the turn and will often spew when he does that, it should encourage us to bet. Bet our set and if he c/r with a wide range then why is that bad?

Nobody raised PF either which greatly reduces the chances we are up against higher sets (especially KK).

Turn and river are terrible.

Wouldn’t a straight bet bigger often? Yes one of them will have us beat most of the time but we don’t need to be right very often.

Bet turn like 400 and fold to jam. Xb the river.

I'm not saying limping is bad, but how can folding a small pair from EP when there's a button straddle ever be bad. In this case we got folds all round to the button who checked, which is the nut best scenario but won't happen often, and even then we've still got a baby pair without position. Limping is OK, but dismissing folding is foolish

But postflop is definitely where this hand went wrong

PRE - I'd most likely raise to fold out players behind and gain position post.

FLOP - raise bigger. At least $100, if not $120-$140.

TURN - over bet, 1.5x pot.

RIVER - probably just call.