Very deep with the nuts facing aggression on flop and turn.
Hero 13k 2/2 live PLO with $10 btn straddle
Game is mostly fish/whales. These players could be playing anything. Main V in this game is one of the better players. He just retired recently so he's on the older side age wise. He plays more snug than the others but can play ranges and get out of line at times as well with blockers or semi bluffs. He doesn't really blindly spew chips unless he's down and on tilt. He's been playing poker for decades.
A432ds diamonds and clubs
Folds to hero pot pre in MP, 4 calls.
Flop ($200) 652ssh
Hero bet $100, 1 fold, V raise $400, rest fold, hero call
I could see arguments for smaller or bigger sizing here. Heads up I'd typically go bigger, multiway depends on situation/players. I'm okay with my sizing I think. I just call because we have no redraw and no reason to try to play for 700bb when we could be getting freerolled. He's 7k effective this hand against me.
Turn ($1000) Qc
I check, he bets $800, hero?
We are both deeeeep. Do we shovel chips in now? Or still play it safe and just call and play a river? He can semi bluff with draws and/or blockers, but will also bet the nuts with/without redraws if he puts us on a hand that can't continue very easily. He will also bluff on brick rivers sometimes if we underrep our hand the whole way and he thinks we can't call a big bet. I'm assuming theory would say pile in chips here, but would we do the same if trying to exploit.
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This is a great hand to put into our check call bucket on every street. As played nothing to do but call turn. In theory I’m not sure we’re supposed to bet this flop much if at all.
I don’t play this hand in mp, but I am a nit.
Villain either has a straight and we are in bad shape, or he has a combo draw / set + fd where he’s not folding turn anyways. If we check call turn we get another bet from his busted draw on river as well as pot control his free roll.
All the money going in this deep is a huge disaster. There are going to be all the bad rivers no matter how we play it.
Flop lead is atrocious. I'd just call turn as played.
Because multiway and no redraws I'm assuming? Probably don't want to bloat the pot when a lot of turns can be bad for us and OOP? Also very deep is a factor. Hard to find hands to lead out with but I figured this is one of them.
Let's say we check call flop to a pot sized bet. Same turn card now heads up. How would you proceed?
Because multiway and no redraws I'm assuming? Probably don't want to bloat the pot when a lot of turns can be bad for us and OOP? Also very deep is a factor. Hard to find hands to lead out with but I figured this is one of them.Let's say we check call flop to a pot sized bet. Same turn card now heads up. How would you proceed
Yes, yes, and yes, especially when you are this deep. I am check calling this to the river ainec. The river, assuming a clean runout, is the only real decision point based on your reads with this player. Do you check river hoping he still bets it and then jam or do you lead river trying to get value from a big combo draw like set+NFD that may now check behind? If you do lead, how much? 40%-60% to look like a blocking bet?
100% call turn. The fact he can and will have many strong draws, including boats, means that, with zero visibility on which rivers hit him, you should treat your hand as drawing, especially this deep. You only have 11 outs that keep your hand the nuts on the river; would you rather check-fold some of the rivers he's repping but doesn't have in a small pot, or a big one?
Would like to know more about why it's so bad.
