Mental game: how to fold second nuts?

Mental game: how to fold second nuts?

Hero (UTG): 201.12 BB
CO: 216.4 BB (VPIP: 30.67, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 2.06, Hands: 247)

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ks Js
Hero raises to 2 BB, fold, CO calls 2 BB, BTN calls 2 BB, SB calls 1.5 BB, fold

Flop : (9 BB, 4 players) 4s Ts 2s
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets 4.5 BB, BTN raises to 11.25 BB, fold, Hero raises to 45 BB, CO raises to 214.4 BB and is all-in, fold, Hero calls 154.12 BB and is all-in

Turn : (418.49 BB, 2 players) 3s

River : (418.49 BB, 2 players) 8c

Hero shows Ks Js (Flush, King High)
(Pre 36%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)

CO shows As Qs (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 64%, Flop 100%, Turn 100%)

CO wins 413.49 BB

This guy is a nitfish, no chance in 100 years he shows up with a bluff here. I knew that and clicked call. Really don't understand why. Any tips to build discipline to find these (easy) calls?

04 August 2025 at 09:24 PM
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We never folding 2nd nuts


You call here? The only consideration for me (which contributed to me calling) is that I may be beating some value because he may overplay lower flushes.


by ildrugo

You call here? The only consideration for me (which contributed to me calling) is that I may be beating some value because he may overplay lower flushes.

It's a cooler. It's like AA vs KK preflop.


by ildrugo

You call here? The only consideration for me (which contributed to me calling) is that I may be beating some value because he may overplay lower flushes.

Exactly. That’s why we are calling. Even if his range here is Axss, Qxss with no flushes lower than Q high, when he shoves we have a 50% chance of beating his flush (It’s basically the AKQ toy game at this point). We are getting (with the money already in pot) better than 1:1 odds for the call. We may see Ax here a good bit, but it still is a good call.

We don’t even need villain to have a lower flush half the time. By my math we are calling 154.12BB to win 279.37BB (the final 413.49 pot minus our call amount). That means to break even we must win 154.12/414.49=37.2% of the time. We can lose over 60% and still make profit here. Easy call if villain will take this line with non-nut flushes


I don't think I would play the hand like you did. I would 2.5x or 3x preflop especially if there's guys with loose stats like that and a low 3B %. Then I would just bet the flop rather than going for a check/raise which is what I'm assuming you were doing on the flop. I'm not sure why you wouldn't just bet the flop yourself. I wouldn't really want to get in 200bbs on the flop vs two IP callers who can each have As9s, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, As3s (would expect AsQs to 3B preflop).

Following that logic, I would just call the BU raise and not re-raise. If we re-raise our hand is fairly obvious + we opened ourselves up to getting stacked. Now we're stuck in a spot where we have to decide if they are overvaluing a lower flush, button clicking with a set, or just only have the nuts. We played our hand in such a way where we made their range as strong as possible but we still have to call based on our absolute strength and the small % they have worse. To me, the topic title isn't asking the right question - the problem was how we got here in the first place.


by haha_TP

I don't think I would play the hand like you did. I would 2.5x or 3x preflop especially if there's guys with loose stats like that and a low 3B %. Then I would just bet the flop rather than going for a check/raise which is what I'm assuming you were doing on the flop. I'm not sure why you wouldn't just bet the flop yourself. I wouldn't really want to get in 200bbs on the flop v

Very good point! I had the instinct of thinking that call was stupid after the hand was over, but actually it's marginal and really the more important spot is the check-raise play. But let me probe you here, if I call the BU bet, than villain will raise and what do I do? If I c-bet flop, then villain raises and triple barrels, what do I do? My point, will I not get it anyway with this distribution of hands? And if the distribution is different, then I may get value from BU calling my check-raise with weakish value, or only one ace or such.


I think you played it good, I like the XR. Vs Fish fast-playing is the best option imo.
Its less about 'he never has bluff' (which I would agree even without your read) AND more about does he have worse for value (QTdd Q9dd Q8dd T9dd T8dd T7dd 98dd 97dd 87dd 76dd 65dd).

You don't have a bluff-catcher you have a value beater.

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