Are we blasting this turn???
1/3 10 handed
This is all asian home game, plays like 2/5 half the table is deepstack(1500+). Our first time here, we immediately lost 2 buyins when we first sat down.
V1 ~ female player, fishy with some aggro tendencies, opening like A5o in utg barreling off on q4j32.
3bet Jamming AQ/TT for 500+ vs 15-25 open 3 callers
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HH1
V1 limps, V2 limps H open to 30 w/kk
1 caller in blinds
v1+v2 call
flop 449cc v1 donks 75 H call
Turn 9 xx
Riv j she bets 100 H calls
she said she plays the board???
HH2
straddle to 7 1 limper
V1 limps in mp
H in mp+2 opens to 40 w/88
ep limper calls
V1 calls
Flop 652r H cbets 60 both call
Turn J H bets 100 only v1 call
River T check/check we show 88 we are good.
V2 ~ taggish (not involved in much hands), he said he bought in for 300, he's up 3k tonight.
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a few limpers
Btn opens to 20
V2 calls in sb with KQcc
Hero in bb 3bets to 100
V2 flats
Flop 972cc V2 checks H cbets 100, V2 snap jam for like 250 more, H call Flush hits the river, H mucks
H has been a bit aggro with 3bets but nothing crazy.
Effective 1000
V1 opens in Mp for 15(very small size at this game, normal size maybe 25+)
V2 flats in Mp+1
Hero in Mp+2 squeezes to 70 with A♠J♦
both call
Pot 220
Flop A♦8♦7♣
Both check
We cbet 85
Both call
Pot 475
Turn 6♣
Both check
Hero???
We betting this turn? how much?
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Seems like a hand we should be pot controlling/bluff-catching with, rather than trying to play for stacks 200bb deep in a multiway pot.
Seems like a hand we should be pot controlling/bluff-catching with, rather than trying to play for stacks 200bb deep in a multiway pot.
Yea...but it also feels like missing alot of value from V1 just checking back. Her range is super wide.
V2's range is a bit tighter which is probably our only concern.
Weird spot and maybe I'm crazy but I kinda feel like a jam is good here. You might get AQ to fold, your cleaning up all the flush and str8 draw outs and it's tough to get away from it if you bet the turn for any meaningful amount too.
Nobody has shown resistance, so normally you keep betting. You would need a pot-sized bet to give them poor odds to draw, but I think you get called from the info presented. I’m normally aggressive, but I think I like a check here.
The river will likely change the nuts, a lot of draws can land. If I can’t make them fold, then I’d rather see if they hit. I only have a one pair hand and I get to see what villains do first.
Losing a bunch of money with AJo and a one pair hand is something I wish to avoid. Never feel in control here.
Grunch , if you are planning on checking & calling a river as a bluff catch
Might it be better to bet small again on turn, to get value from draws and then check back most rivers?
So bet small on turn, fold to a raise , and fold to most river donks
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H in game check back turn
River 5♠
V1 leads out for 10
V2 snap calls
H snap calls as well
V1 says J high???????????? so it was JT??? when asked by v2 why she bets 10, she said she thinks we might be able to fold air or whatever for 10???? So she wanted to bluff but didn't know how to set the price?
V2 says he has a pair(he later said he had a flushdraw as well, but figured I wasn't folding Ax to a raise on flop, maybe he got this read from our previous HH)
H wins
We miss so much value from V1. Only trouble is from v2 who might or might not check/jam on us if we bet turn. And if pot was bloated, they might donk shove river, which they might or might not be capable of.
Flop is already too big. Anything more than B33 now would be an overplay.
Whether I check or bet depends on how worried I am they jam marginal equity hands. Betting is pretty ambitious in theory but can be a good adjustment against common player types.
Weird spot and maybe I'm crazy but I kinda feel like a jam is good here. You might get AQ to fold, your cleaning up all the flush and str8 draw outs and it's tough to get away from it if you bet the turn for any meaningful amount too.
Okay, I know this is the opposite of what I said, but it actually seems good to me if opponents are sufficiently capped.
